The Subrogation Support Network Podcast
The Subrogation Support Network Podcast
Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C.
Join Attorney Ashton Kirsch as he hosts The Subrogation Support Network. From the world's finest subrogation resource center, this podcast will aim to provide subrogation professionals with effective strategies and insightful tips. You'll hear from various lawyers and experts discussing the latest legal updates, news and trends.  'RSSVERIFY'
From Leopard Skin Spandex to the Witness Stand: Construction Defect & Fire Claims with Pete Fowler
Before Pete Fowler was one of the country's leading construction defect experts, he was digging ditches to fund a rock and roll career. These days, he trades the stage for the witness stand, but the performance instincts are the same: stay composed, know your material, and never let a smart opponent rattle you. In this episode, Ashton sits down with Pete Fowler, founder of Pete Fowler Construction Consultants, a national firm with expertise spanning construction defects, fire investigation, s...
Jun 9
48 min
The Billion Dollar Blind Spot: Toxic Tort Subrogation with Bradley Drew
Most work comp carriers are sitting on billions in unclaimed recoveries, and they don't even know it. In this episode, host Ashton Kirsch sits down with Bradley Drew, Senior Managing Director of PACE Claims, to explore one of the most overlooked opportunities in subrogation: toxic tort claims, and specifically asbestos. Brad brings over 30 years of experience managing asbestos and bodily injury litigation, having helped process more than a million claims and $40 billion in settlements through...
May 12
27 min
Nuclear Negotiations: A CLM Conference Session Preview
Join host Ashton Kirsch for a preview of his upcoming CLM Conference presentation on negotiation strategies, featuring claims experts Amber Guenther from Alliant Insurance Services and Cortney Helfrich from Wilbur Group. This episode tackles why negotiation is the most undervalued skill in claims, applicable to everything from subrogation recoveries to defense settlements. The panel discusses practical strategies, including the 70/30 rule (listen more than you speak), how to keep emotions out...
Feb 27
42 min
When Algorithms Meet Adjusters: The AI Wake-Up Call
In this episode of the Subrogation Support Network, host Ashton Kirsch sits down with Donnie Vaughn, a 15-year claims professional and author of The AI Advantage in Claims, to unpack what AI actually means for claims teams—and why it’s no longer optional to understand it. Donnie breaks down AI “101” in plain language, compares major tools (beyond just ChatGPT), and explains how claims professionals can use AI to accelerate everyday work like drafting demands, improving written communications,...
Feb 10
40 min
The Art of the Subro Deal:  A Mediator’s Perspective
Ashton Kirsch sits down with mediator and negotiation professor Lee Mendelson for a practical, subrogation-focused conversation on what actually moves cases to resolution. Lee shares how he transitioned from running a long-time subrogation practice to mediating full-time nationwide, and why subject-matter expertise matters when selecting a mediator—especially in technical and insurance-driven disputes. They break down how strong negotiators prepare (and why most don’t), including BATNA/walkaw...
Jan 20
48 min
Leadership, Litigation & Life After Service: A Conversation with Jerrod Fussnecker
In this special crossover episode, Subrogation Support Network host Ashton Kirsch sits down with Jerrod Fussnecker, Army veteran, former JAG officer, military judge, and host of the Military Veterans in Law podcast, for a powerful conversation about service, career transitions, and the surprising ways military experience aligns with insurance and subrogation work. Ashton and Jerrod dive into Jerrod’s path from West Point to Afghanistan to the courtroom, and how the discipline, leadership, acc...
Dec 9, 2025
36 min
Inside the Subro Partnership Playbook
In this episode, Subrogation Support Network host Ashton Kirsch teams up with Subro Sense host Aaron Jacobs for a deep dive into something most people don’t realize happens behind the scenes: true collaboration between subrogation firms. Together, they unpack how attorneys from different organizations coordinate strategies on market-share claims, large-loss commercial property cases, MDLs, mass torts, and product failures. They also discuss the challenges of balancing different carrier risk a...
Nov 18, 2025
37 min
Claims, Cliff Dives, and Comedy: A Conversation with Simon Keshishian
This episode is packed with energy (literally). Your host, Ashton Kirsch, sits down with Simon Keshishian, Head of Risk Management for Red Bull North America, for a high-octane conversation about what it really means to manage risk when your company is known for pushing limits. From cliff-diving events to contract clauses, Simon shares how Red Bull balances bold ideas with calculated controls, all while keeping humor (and a few dad jokes) at the center of his leadership style. They dive into ...
Nov 4, 2025
48 min
Building a Career That Lasts: Lessons from Caryn Siebert
In this episode of the Subrogation Support Network, host Ashton Kirsch sits down with Caryn Siebert, Vice President of Carrier Engagement at Gallagher Bassett, for a candid conversation about leadership, claims innovation, and the future of subrogation. Caryn shares how her unconventional path, from aspiring veterinarian to attorney to insurance executive, shaped her understanding of people, process, and purpose in the industry. Together, Ashton and Caryn unpack the value of centralized...
Oct 14, 2025
38 min
Inside the Subro Mindset: Two Podcasts, One Deep Dive
Two of the subrogation world’s leading voices join forces in this special crossover between the Subrogation Support Network and Claims Hunter podcasts. Host Ashton Kirsch of Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C. and guest co-host Chris Tidball of SubroIQ dig deep into what really drives successful recoveries—spotting hidden opportunities, investigating fast, and negotiating smart. From missed recoveries worth millions to the evolving role of AI, and from frontline adjuster training to future...
Sep 23, 2025
52 min
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