
While much of the recruitment industry was flat last year, Sachin Ruparelia grew billings by 33% and kept hiring.
Sachin is the Founder and Managing Director of Camino Partners and Camino Search. Over the last couple of years, his businesses have grown net fee income by 20% and then 33%, while scaling to around 37 people across London and Tampa.
A big part of that growth has come from community-led business development. Instead of calling prospects to ask if they're hiring, Camino creates reasons for clients and prospects to want to speak with them. They run events, CFO dinners and networking sessions. They publish salary surveys and a 120-page Global Report for the private equity market.
Sachin calls it "the art of selling without selling."
In this conversation, Sachin explains how those events and insights turn into real recruitment opportunities, including the important step recruiters often miss: making the commercial ask after they've earned the conversation.
You'll also hear how Sachin approaches the other side of scaling: people. He shares how to know when it's time for your next support hire, why an operations manager can be one of the smartest early hires for a growing firm, and his A's, B's and F's approach to hiring people who are better than you in the areas where you're weak.
Sachin also speaks openly about growing up in a violent household and the two years of psychodynamic counseling that helped him understand how those experiences had shaped his behavior. He explains how that self-awareness made him a better husband, father, friend and leader, and why he now speaks openly about mental health in recruitment.
In this episode, you'll learn:
How Camino grew NFI by 20% and then 33% while scaling to around 37 people
How community-led BD creates conversations without leading with a sales pitch
Why Sachin runs one to two events a month and how he gets the right people into the room
How a 120-page insight report creates multiple reasons to contact prospects
How to turn events and content into actual recruitment opportunities
When a growing recruitment firm should make its first operations hire
How the A's, B's and F's test helps founders hire around their weaknesses
Why is self-awareness becoming increasingly important as you build a larger team
Episode Highlights
[08:50] Setting up the business at 31 and appointing a chairman
[09:33] The two years of therapy Sachin calls game changing
[17:20] Two verticals, 37 people and 33% growth in a flat market
[22:51] The first scaling lesson: hire people better than you
[29:25] Community-led BD: the art of selling without selling
[39:07] Insight-led BD and Camino's 120-page Global Report
[52:55] The first operations hire for a scaling recruitment firm
[54:50] The A's, B's and F's approach to hiring around your weaknesses
Sachin Ruparelia Bio
Sachin Ruparelia is the Founder and Managing Director of Camino Partners and Camino Search. He launched Camino Partners in 2012 with two former colleagues, initially specializing in accountancy and finance before expanding into "mission control" roles within recruitment businesses.
Camino Search works within the private capital ecosystem, placing CFOs and other senior finance professionals, along with corporate development, M&A and origination talent, into private equity-backed technology-enabled and business services companies.
The business operates from London and Tampa and has grown to around 37 people. Over the last two years, Camino's NFI grew first by 20% and then by 33%. Sachin's next plan, Mission 234, is to double headcount and triple NFI over four years.
Connect with Sachin
Sachin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sachinruparelia/
Camino Partners: http://www.caminopartners.co.uk
Camino Search: http://www.caminosearch.co.uk
Sponsors
This episode is brought to you by Recruiterflow, an AI-native ATS and CRM built for serious recruiting businesses. Learn more: https://recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow
It is also brought to you by Juicebox, the modern AI platform for recruiting. Juicebox combines more than 30 datasets with AI models to support search, outreach, and pipeline management in one workflow. Learn more: https://recruitmentcoach.com/juicebox
Connect with Mark Whitby
Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
Mark on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwhitby/
Aug 26
1 hr

There's a belief in recruitment that scaling a firm means scaling headcount.
Dave Fox has built a different model. His fully remote technology staffing firm, Focus GTS, generates more than $10 million in annual revenue with a team of just 11 people.
Early on, Dave assumed he would need 80 to 100 people to build the business he wanted. He also thought a 360 model and broader market coverage would be the right path. Over time, he found a different way to grow: stay close to one specialist market, build a split-desk team of strong people, and make AI part of how the whole business works.
Dave is the founder of Focus GTS, a Miami-based technology staffing firm that specializes in the Adobe Marketing Cloud ecosystem. He started in recruitment with the S3 Group, working his way from trainee consultant to manager and director before launching his own business eight years ago.
In this conversation, Dave explains why he is done with the "chase game" of constantly pursuing new opportunities. His focus now is on becoming so useful and well-known in his market that clients and candidates come to him.
That means creating free tools that solve real problems, publishing useful content, and using AI research agents to stay close to key customers. It also means giving every member of his 11-person team access to Claude and Claude Code, then creating a culture where people share what they are learning.
Dave is not suggesting AI is a shortcut to success. He spends 50 to 60 hours a week learning and building with it. But he makes a strong case that agency owners need to rethink the old relationship between headcount, growth, and productivity.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why Dave moved from a 360 model to a split-desk structure
The assumption that made him think he needed 80 to 100 people
Why a smaller, better-paid team can outperform a larger one
How Focus GTS became known in the Adobe Marketing Cloud market
How free tools and useful content can create inbound conversations
How AI research agents help Dave's team stay close to top clients
How to make AI a shared team habit rather than a founder-only project
The mindset Dave believes agency owners need as AI changes the market
Episode highlights:
[02:49] Why Dave launched Focus GTS after walking away from a potential partnership
[07:53] Building a fully remote technology staffing business
[10:46] Why Focus GTS uses a split-desk model
[18:18] The AI inflection point that changed Dave's view of growth
[23:28] Building free tools for a specialist market
[29:42] Using AI research agents on Focus GTS's top five clients
[34:52] How to become a celebrity in your recruitment niche
[45:25] How all 11 team members learn and use AI together
Sponsors:
This episode is brought to you by Recruiterflow, an AI-native ATS and CRM built for serious recruiting businesses. Learn more: https://recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow
It is also brought to you by Juicebox, the modern AI platform for recruiting. Juicebox combines more than 30 datasets with AI models to support search, outreach, and pipeline management within a single workflow. Learn more: https://recruitmentcoach.com/juicebox
Guest Bio:
Dave Fox is the founder of Focus GTS, a fully remote technology staffing firm based in Miami. Focus GTS generates more than $10 million in annual revenue with a team of 11 and has been recognized on the Inc. 5000 list. Dave and his team specialize in the Adobe Marketing Cloud ecosystem and use AI across research, marketing, sales, website development, and client delivery.
Connect with Dave Fox on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davefoxceo/
Learn more about Focus GTS: https://www.focusgts.com/
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Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
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Aug 20
50 min

David Paffenholz never worked as a recruiter. He studied economics at Harvard, led growth at Snap, and built a couple of consumer products with his co-founder, Ishan, before the two of them turned their attention to hiring. What they noticed was that most of the recruiting tech stack is built for candidates who are already in the funnel, while the harder and more valuable problem sits right at the top: finding the right people and getting them to reply.
The platform they built, Juicebox, is now used by more than 5,000 customers, and around 40% of them run AI agents that source candidates autonomously for open roles. One agent per role. Each learns from your feedback, sources a set number of new candidates every day, and tells you when the talent pool needs a different approach.
In this special sponsored episode, David walks Mark through what that looks like on a real desk. He covers the four-step outreach sequence Juicebox recommends, why generic AI-written emails hurt response rates and how to keep yours sounding like you, and how the platform searches and ranks candidates without a LinkedIn Recruiter seat. He also makes the case that recruiting will start to look more like executive search, with agents handling the research and sourcing while recruiters spend their time where they create the most value: building trust with candidates and clients.
He also shares the honest version of building the company, including the two difficult years when it was just him and Ishan, before Juicebox found momentum.
In this episode, you'll discover:
How one AI agent per open role sources candidates every day
The four-step outreach cadence Juicebox recommends, and why the fourth email waits
Why generic AI-written emails hurt your response rate, and how to keep yours sounding like you
How to search and rank candidates without relying on LinkedIn Recruiter
When to add LinkedIn and phone steps to an automated sequence
Why the future of recruiting may look more like executive search
What helps recruiters and employers win the best talent
The two difficult years before Juicebox found momentum
Episode highlights:
01:22 Why David and his co-founder chose to build for recruitment
03:41 The top-of-funnel problem most recruiting tools ignore
10:27 The four-step email cadence that gets more replies
12:00 Why AI-written outreach often sounds generic
24:57 The recruiting org chart of the future
26:49 What one AI agent per role does each day
32:18 Why recruiting will increasingly resemble executive search
51:01 The difficult two years before the business found momentum
Podcast Partner
This special episode is sponsored by Juicebox, the AI recruiting platform that helps recruiters find and reach the right candidates. Book a demo: recruitmentcoach.com/juicebox
About David Paffenholz
David Paffenholz is the co-founder and CEO of Juicebox, an AI recruiting platform used by more than 5,000 customers to find and reach candidates. He studied economics at Harvard and led growth at Snap. He and his co-founder, Ishan, built several consumer products before founding Juicebox, which went through Y Combinator in 2022.
Connect with Mark
Free 30-minute strategy call: recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mwhitby
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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Aug 18
57 min

What separates recruiters building momentum from those whose desks are quietly drifting?
Benjamin Mena has recorded more than 300 episodes of The Elite Recruiter Podcast. Mark Whitby has done the same with The Resilient Recruiter. Between them, they have interviewed hundreds of high-performing recruiters and repeatedly seen the same success patterns.
Ben begins this conversation with an honest admission. His recruiting revenue had been drifting. It was not collapsing, but his attention had become divided and the work he should have completed months earlier had not happened.
That changed the conversation. Ben and Mark were not simply identifying what elite recruiters do. They were examining why proven fundamentals remain difficult to execute, even when you know exactly what they are.
"The wealth in our industry is built on going day after day, doing the most boring basics."
In This Episode, You'll Learn:
Why successful recruiters plan the next day before the current one ends
How rigorous qualification protects your time, energy and revenue
Why hyper-specialization is common among the industry's top billers
How engagement fees test whether a client is genuinely committed
Why recruiters need to rebuild the sales skills weakened during easier markets
How cornerstone clients create a more stable recruitment desk
How LinkedIn, podcasts, newsletters and SEO can generate inbound opportunities
Why long-term relationships become more valuable as AI changes recruitment
Episode Highlights:
[02:08] The revenue drift that made Ben delay this conversation
[07:18] Defining success beyond recruitment billings
[11:33] Why elite recruiters plan tomorrow before today ends
[15:21] How rigorous qualification protects time and revenue
[21:46] Becoming the go-to recruiter in a hyper-niche market
[29:16] Rebuilding the sales skills weakened during easier markets
[36:36] Building an inbound engine that compounds over time
[46:05] How AI could widen the gap between recruiters
About Benjamin Mena
Benjamin Mena is the host of The Elite Recruiter Podcast and Managing Partner of Select Source Solutions, an executive search firm specializing in federal recruiting for government contractors.
Ben has 20 years of recruiting experience across major defense contracts and complex federal programs. Through his podcast, recruiter community and virtual summits, he brings together top billers, firm owners and industry leaders to share what is working on the desk.
Connect With Benjamin Mena
The Elite Recruiter Podcast: https://www.eliterecruiterpodcast.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminmena/
If you want to build a recruitment desk around disciplined execution, market authority and relationships that compound, this episode is a must-listen.
Podcast Partners
This episode is brought to you by Recruiterflow — an AI-first ATS and CRM with built-in data enrichment. Book a demo at recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow.
Free Resources
Recruitment Freedom Scorecard: https://mark-rf1pexbm.scoreapp.com/
Book a free 30-minute strategy call: https://recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
Connect With Mark Whitby
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markwhitby/
Twitter: @MarkWhitby
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RecruitmentCoach/
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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Aug 12
57 min

Most recruiters know they should be using AI more. What they don't know is where to start, what to connect, and what it costs. Reyhan Khan makes all of that concrete.
Reyhan runs RecruiterGTM and has spent the last 60 days setting up Claude for 35 recruitment agencies. He's based in Lisbon, originally from Pakistan, and spent years running operations for US agencies before launching his own business. He places offshore talent from South Africa, Pakistan, and Latin America into recruitment agencies, which means he operates as a recruiter himself and follows the same process he teaches.
In this episode, Reyhan walks through the complete setup: how to connect your ATS, outreach tools, and data sources into Claude so you can run BD, sourcing, and outreach from a single screen. He covers honest tool reviews, a full tech stack cost breakdown, and the three moves to make first if you want results this month, including one approach most recruiters have never considered.
In this episode:
How Reyhan set up Claude for 35 recruiters in 60 days, and what he found every time
Why connecting your ATS, outreach tools, and data sources to Claude changes the economics of BD
The recommended tech stack and cost breakdown for solo recruiters and full teams
Why downloading your LinkedIn connections and ranking them by fit is the highest-return move most recruiters haven't made
Honest tool reviews: RecruiterFlow, Loxo, Bullhorn, and more
Why Claude builds market maps at a fraction of the cost of other tools
How a recruiter over 60 who described himself as "not tech savvy" built six Claude agents
Why offshore talent and Claude work better together than either does alone
The recruiter who made a placement by going back to one person she already knew
Episode Highlights:
[0:00] Intro
[02:33] From electrical engineer to online business operator
[07:20] Becoming Head of Operations as the agency grew to 45 people
[12:56] Deploying Claude for 35 recruiters in 60 days
[15:25] Where recruitment agencies need AI most
[18:30] Connecting your recruitment tools inside one Claude cockpit
[22:43] How a recruiter over 60 built six Claude agents
[24:55] The Claude workflow that produced half a dozen placements
[27:45] Reyhan's recommended recruitment technology stack
[31:27] Why every client and candidate conversation should be recorded
[41:29] Building lower-cost market maps with Claude
[47:36] The highest-return place to begin with AI
[52:26] Combining offshore talent with Claude
Listen: https://recruitmentcoach.com/podcast/
Podcast Partner: Recruiterflow, an AI-first ATS and CRM with built-in agents. https://recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow
Free Resources: Take the 7-Figure Freedom Scorecard at https://recruitmentcoach.com/scorecard or book a free strategy session at https://recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
About Reyhan Khan: Reyhan Khan runs RecruiterGTM, helping recruitment agencies build go-to-market systems using AI and Claude. Over the course of his career, he moved from electrical engineering to freelance copywriting to Head of Operations at a US agency, before spending two and a half years coaching recruitment agencies. He now lives in Lisbon, Portugal, where he places offshore talent and helps agencies build AI-enabled recruiting systems. Find him on LinkedIn or at recruitergtm.com.
Connect with Reyhan:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reyhankhann/
Website: recruitergtm.com
Connect with Mark Whitby:
Free 30-minute strategy call: www.recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
Mark on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwhitby/
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Aug 5
1 hr 4 min

What are the top 1% of recruiters doing differently to win new business in 2026? That's exactly what Mark Whitby wanted to find out. So instead of interviewing one guest, he brought together three Pinnacle Society members for a live panel discussion in front of more than 100 recruiters.
Jen Meyer is Chief Revenue Officer at Govig and Associates, a firm doing $12 to $15 million a year. Mike Williams built Carnegie Search into a team of 15 and billed $1.5 million last year. Pree Sarkar runs a global firm from Sydney focused on go-to-market hiring for scale-ups and AI companies.
They run successful businesses in very different markets, but there were surprising similarities in how they approach business development. Jen explained why companies going through layoffs can become some of your best client opportunities. Mike shared the simple accountability system that keeps his team on the phones every day. And Pree broke down the 90-day framework that led to seven of his last 10 client agreements.
If you're relying on referrals and repeat business, this conversation is a reminder that the best recruiters never stop building a pipeline.
In this episode:
Why layoffs and restructures create high-value search work that never gets advertised
The MPC approach that opens doors without the standard recruiter pitch
Mike's fifteen-calls-a-day accountability system
How to build a prospect list by hand, and what company size to target
Ad calls versus target company calls, and what each means for your fees
Pree's Brand, Win, Grow framework and the Fill strategy
Nets, Seeds and Spears: balancing short and long-term pipeline
What to do if you need a search assignment in the next 30 days
Becoming "the recruiter for all seasons"
Episode Highlights:
[00:00] Intro
[04:49] Why reputation and relationships won't build a repeatable pipeline
[05:28] Jen targets companies that are downsizing, and why it works
[09:56] Mike on why accountability beats good intentions
[11:23] The fifteen-calls-a-day spreadsheet system explained
[14:11] Why Mike builds every prospect list by hand
[16:00] The company size sweet spot for director-level roles
[16:51] Pree's three pillars: Brand, Win, Grow
[18:35] Nets, seeds and spears explained
[25:23] What each panellist would do starting over from zero
[30:37] Why one hundred calls a day still matters in 2026
[35:10] Ad calls versus target company calls, and the fee difference
[45:00] Becoming "the recruiter for all seasons"
[57:50] The one metric Jen says to measure every Friday
Podcast Partner
Recruiterflow: AI-first ATS and CRM with built-in agents.
https://recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow
About the Guests
Jen Meyer is Chief Revenue Officer at Govig and Associates, leading all business development. She has been in the industry for nearly 30 years, including 14 years running her own firm.
Mike Williams is the founder of Carnegie Search, an engineering recruitment firm in Charlotte, North Carolina, with a team of 15.
Pree Sarkar runs a global recruitment firm from Sydney focused on software sales and go-to-market hiring for startups, scale-ups and AI companies.
Connect with the Guests
Jen Meyer on LinkedIn
Mike Williams on LinkedIn
Pree Sarkar on LinkedIn
Connect with Mark Whitby
Get your free 30-minute strategy call: https://recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
Mark on LinkedIn | Twitter: @MarkWhitby | Facebook | Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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Jul 29
59 min

LinkedIn has changed how it decides who sees your content, and many recruiters are feeling the impact. Reach is down for most creators, engagement is changing, and tactics that worked a year ago are becoming less effective.
Richard van der Blom has spent years studying those changes. His annual LinkedIn Algorithm Insights Report is now in its seventh edition, built from the analysis of 1.3 million LinkedIn posts published in the first half of 2026. His latest research suggests LinkedIn has fundamentally shifted from rewarding who you know to rewarding what you want to be known for.
In this episode, Richard explains what those changes mean for recruiters, how topic fingerprinting influences your visibility, why random posting is hurting more than helping, and how AI is changing the way LinkedIn evaluates content. He also shares the four content pillars behind high-performing posts, why newsletters are becoming one of LinkedIn's most underused tools, and what recruiters should change now to stay visible.
In this episode, you'll discover:
Why LinkedIn's latest algorithm changes are reducing reach for many recruiters
How topic fingerprinting determines who sees your content
The four content pillars behind most high-performing LinkedIn posts
Why your profile matters as much as the content you publish
How LinkedIn is detecting AI-generated content
Why newsletters are becoming one of LinkedIn's biggest opportunities
What recruiters should change immediately to improve their visibility
Episode highlights:
[04:47] LinkedIn's shift from a relationship graph to an interest graph
[08:41] Topic fingerprinting and why your profile matters
[19:19] The four content pillars behind successful LinkedIn content
[38:38] Which LinkedIn formats are performing best in 2026
[43:27] The LinkedIn Loop Cycle explained
[48:05] AI detection on LinkedIn and the reach penalty
About Richard
Richard van der Blom is the founder of Just Connecting, a LinkedIn training and consultancy agency. He has been helping businesses use LinkedIn since 2010 and has published the LinkedIn Algorithm Insights Report every year since 2020. His latest report analyzes 1.3 million LinkedIn posts and is widely referenced by organizations including Salesforce, PwC, and Nestlé.
Connect with Richard:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardvanderblom/
Website: https://www.richardvanderblom.com/
LinkedIn Algorithm Insights Report 2026: https://sales.richardvanderblom.com/content-algorithm-playbook/
Connect with Mark Whitby:
Free Strategy Session:
https://recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
LinkedIn:
https://linkedin.com/in/mwhitby
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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Jul 22
53 min

Recruiters don't need AI to replace conversations with candidates or clients. They need AI to give them more time for those conversations. That's the philosophy Jordan Shlosberg has built his entire business around.
Jordan is the founder of Atlas, an AI-first CRMx built for recruitment agencies. Before Atlas, he built proSapient, an expert network platform, scaling it to $40 million in revenue and 300 people across four or five offices before stepping back from the business in 2022.
In this episode, Jordan explains where AI is already helping recruiters bill more, and where he thinks it has no place at all. He argues that business development, not delivery, is the real constraint on agency growth. He also shares why he uses Claude alongside his CRM to run his own business, and the simple test he applies to every new piece of technology. If you've been experimenting with AI but aren't sure how to turn that into more billings, this conversation gives you a clear way to think about it.
In this episode, you'll discover:
Where AI helps recruiters bill more, and where it shouldn't be used
Why specing a candidate to a client used to take a day, and what that looks like now
How Jordan decides whether to use Claude or his CRM for a given task
Why business development, not delivery, is the real constraint on agency growth
What "micro AI" means, and why Jordan avoids building one big flashy feature
The one test Jordan applies to every new feature before it ships
What Jordan thinks every recruiter should try in the next 90 days
Episode highlights:
00:54 From building proSapient to $40 million to launching Atlas
08:23 The hiring mistake that dropped Jordan's Glassdoor score to 2.2
30:18 Where AI is genuinely good in recruitment today, and where it isn't
34:20 Why Jordan uses Claude over ChatGPT to run his own business
47:19 The search Atlas can run that no one else can do yet
59:39 Why business development, not delivery, is the real constraint on growth
Podcast Partner: This episode is sponsored by Atlas, the AI-first CRMx built for recruitment agencies. For more information, visit recruitmentcoach.com/atlas.
About Jordan: Jordan Shlosberg is the founder and CEO of Atlas, an AI-first CRMx built for recruitment agencies. He previously founded proSapient, an expert network platform, which he built to $40 million in revenue and 300 people across four or five offices before stepping back from the business in 2022.
Connect with Jordan:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanshlosberg/
https://recruitwithatlas.com/
Connect with Mark:
Free 30-minute strategy call: recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mwhitby
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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Jul 15
1 hr 4 min

Emily Audibert billed $1.29 million in 2025. She did it while eight and a half months pregnant with her third child, living in a 750-square-foot cottage for six months during a home renovation with her husband, two young boys, and a 70-pound dog.
Emily is the founder of EA Associates, a search firm specializing in go-to-market roles. The year before, she'd billed $800K. She knew she was capable of billing seven figures, but a bad RPO client was quietly eating the difference. She came home from a conference determined to make some changes, fired the client, worked with her sister, Amanda, to overhaul her processes and technology, and by spring had landed a major new contract.
In this episode, Emily walks through that whole sequence, along with the early years of her career, including five failed attempts at the same CPA exam before she ever considered recruiting, and the moment she stopped copying her trainer's script and started sounding like herself on the phone. Today, she's off the phone by 4:30 most afternoons to be with her kids, and she explains exactly how her business is built to make that possible.
In this episode, you'll discover:
How to tell a good RPO from one that's quietly draining your business
Why the type of contract you sign never fixes a role that's hard to fill
What changed when Emily brought her sister on as her operations partner
Why she spend nearly her whole day on the phone and almost nothing else
The three things that took her from $80K to $390K in her second year
Why a softer, more personal approach outperformed a memorized script
The daily habits she leans on to stay calm during a demanding week
How half her breakthrough year came from work she was already doing
Episode highlights:
02:26 Life with three kids under five
08:13 How 2025 became her breakthrough year
09:01 The RPO client she fired
14:41 Failing the CPA exam five times before finding recruitment
21:54 From $80K to $390K in year two
26:46 Finding her own voice on the phone
46:04 Why hiring her sister as integrator changed everything
52:43 A great RPO versus one you should fire
Podcast Partner: This episode is brought to you by Recruiterflow, the AI-first ATS and CRM built for recruitment agencies and search firms. recruitmentcoach.com/recruiterflow
Free Resources:
7-Figure Freedom Scorecard: https://mark-rf1pexbm.scoreapp.com/
Book a Strategy Session: recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
About Emily: Emily Audibert is the founder of EA Associates, a search firm specializing in go-to-market roles across marketing and sales. She began her career at Hobson Associates, trained under Danny Cahill, and has spent nearly 10 years in recruiting. She was inducted into the Pinnacle Society in 2025. That same year, she billed $1.29 million, up from $800K the year before.
Connect with Emily:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilyaudibert/
https://ea.associates/
Connect with Mark:
Free 30-minute strategy call: recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mwhitby
Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach
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Jul 8
1 hr 4 min

How many search assignments have you turned down because they were outside your niche, outside your geography, or you simply didn't have the capacity?
In this special sponsored panel episode, Mark Whitby is joined by Heather Gardner, Jeff McGraw, and Jen Anderson from NPA Worldwide to discuss how split-fee partnerships help independent recruiters make more placements without taking on more clients.
Heather made six split placements in her first year with NPA Worldwide. Jen has completed more than 55 split placements over the past decade. Jeff has been making split placements since 1994. Together, they explain how split fees work, how to build trusted recruiting partnerships, and how collaboration has helped them fill searches they would otherwise have declined.
What You'll Learn:
How a standard 50/50 split fee works, including the fee paid back to the network
What questions to ask before agreeing to work on someone else's job order
How Jeff brought a partner onto an intake call and filled an optics engineer role he couldn't have qualified alone
How Jen builds trust with a new partner by copying them on every email with the client and candidate
How Heather turned six split placements into a steady first year with NPA Worldwide
What separates a partner worth working with from one worth turning down
Timestamps:
00:00 Why recruiters turn away good search assignments
07:45 How split fee partnerships work
10:43 Heather's first year: six split placements
22:16 Jeff's optics engineer success story
26:10 How to qualify a split opportunity
28:57 The university client Jen won with a partner's help
37:39 Why collaboration beats competition
45:57 What makes a great split recruiting partner
Guest Panel
Heather Gardner is the owner of High Sierra Talent in California and made six split placements during her first year with NPA Worldwide.
Jeff McGraw is with William Charles Search Group in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and has been making split placements through NPA Worldwide since 1994.
Jen Anderson is the owner of Prestige Recruiting Firm in Clearwater, Florida. She has been an NPA Worldwide member for 10 years, has completed more than 55 split placements, and currently serves on the NPA Worldwide Americas Board.
If you've ever turned down work because it sat outside your specialty, this conversation will change how you think about the next one.
This episode is sponsored by NPA Worldwide, a global, member-owned network of independent recruiters built around split fee placements.
Learn more about NPA Worldwide: https://npaworldwide.com
Mark Whitby: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markwhitby/
The Resilient Recruiter: https://www.recruitmentcoach.com/podcast/
Jul 1
59 min
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