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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Masa Suzuki.
While he’s been a member of the parkour community since 2004, Masa’s movement journey has led him to become incredibly skilled in a wide variety of arts and disciplines, including ninjitsu, tumbling, and professional dance. He’s also spent a lot of time training in the realm of movement culture, both with Ido Portal and our good friends over at Fighting Monkey.
Having such a similar breadth of experience that also initially stemmed from a deep love for parkour, we were really excited to have him join us. During this chat we’ll dive into how his training and philosophy has evolved over the years, the powerful influences of injury, culture, language, and intention, and the importance of adaptability in both how we move, and how we approach problems in our lives.
I really enjoyed having Masa on the show, if you also enjoyed this conversation and would like to support the channel, be sure to share, leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Masa Intro
00:37 - Workshop Ad
1:36 - Masa’s Beginnings
13:02 - Breaking the Jump with Community
16:59 - Masa Leaves Japan
21:27 - Dance, Rhythmicality, Musicality
25:21 - Ninjitsu
30:13 - Being in the States, Competition
34:58 - Seattle Parkour Spots, Organic & Inorganic Environments
45:27 - Overwork, Injury & Movement Practice
59:58 - Movement Culture
01:07:06 - Goal Setting and Meaning in Life
01:16:23 - Differentiating Movement & Parkour
01:25:00 - Truth and Knowing
01:30:06 - The Importance of Language
01:37:32 - Chi
01:45:35 - Fighting Monkey, Ecological Dynamics & Adaptive Movement
01:52:46 - Masa’s Training Week
01:57:54 - Dance and Martial Arts
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MASA SUZUKI
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May 15, 2023
2 hr 1 min

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Julian Donovan.
Most of you might not know who Julian is as he’s been out of the parkour scene for about a decade now, but back in the early days he was a core member of the Cambridge parkour scene and a regular contributor to the old web forums that would serve as a global hub for the parkour community.
Today Julian works as an emergency medicine doctor, but I wanted to sit down and talk to him about those early days of parkour, how the art has evolved, and how the philosophy of parkour has shaped both his personal and professional life.
I really enjoyed having Julian on the show, if you also enjoyed this conversation and would like to support the channel, be sure to share, leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:37 - Workshop Ad
01:36 - Julian's Background
03:54 - Finding Parkour
09:52- Parkour Ferals & Counter Culture Explosion
15:06- The Early Cambridge Days
18:26 - Phil Doyle & Young Phenoms
21:29- The Early Mentors
24:17 - Raising the Bar & Climb Ups
32:11 - The Forums, Urban FreeFlow & David Belle
39:31 - The Problem of Naming/Defining Parkour
54:00 - FIG, Ninja Warrior, Women in Parkour & Setting the Right Framework
01:02:19 - The Unique Power of Parkour
01:13:12 - Parkour & Fear
01:20:00 - Donor Sports & Gymnastics
01:27:15 - Physical Literacy for Children
01:31:01 - Being Strong to be Useful
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May 8, 2023
1 hr 40 min

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Clifton Harski!
Cliff is the Director of Education for Pain Free Performance, and has previously been the director of programming and national head coach for Fitwall; a Master Trainer with KB Athletics; and a Master Trainer for MovNat.
In this conversation we’ll be covering a lot of ground, looking at the difference between practical, classical, and romantic training methods, the do’s and don’ts of strength training for kids as well as athletes, and the overall importance of selecting a method of practice that aligns with your needs and goals.
We also chat about what it’s like to be a professional coach/trainer, the subject of commercial viability,and properly selecting your target market.
I really enjoyed this conversation, and hope to have Cliff back on the program soon. If you enjoyed it as well, be sure to leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Cliff Intro
00:28 – Workshop Ad
01:27 - Cliff’s Niche & Background
08:04 - Practical, Classical & Romantic Training
12:50 - Commercial Viability
20:28 - MovNat & Coaching Workshops
33:56 - Kettlebell Training
45:53 - Adjusting Strength Metrics
52:16 - Preparing Youth Athletes
01:00:27 - Assessing Strength Training and Athletic Movement
01:12:09 - Foot and Ankle Strength
01:21:18 - Accommodating Resistance & Specificity
01:26:56 - Tracking Metrics and Generalist Movement
01:31:43 - Aliveness & Complexity
01:38:59 - Zoning In vs. Zoning Out
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Clifton Harski
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May 1, 2023
1 hr 54 min

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Victor Fleites from @Tarzan Movement.
Victor has spent the majority of his life in the canopy, exploring both human/primate movement and the development of his own character. In the last few years he’s begun sharing his love for trees with the world through in person instruction and his amazing videos on YouTube.
Today he’ll be sitting down with us to chat about his experiences, philosophy, and the deep, nourishing relationship that he’s developed with arboreal movement.
I really enjoyed this conversation, and if you did too, don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe to Victor’s channel if you haven’t yet.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Intro
00:38 – Workshop Ad
02:41 - The difficulty of group training
06:50 - Victor’s Background & Exploring the Trees
19:07 - Teaching Movement & Barcelona
26:55 - Primate Movement
35:42 - Educating intuition
43:54 - Silence, awareness & mindfulness
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Victor Fleites
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Apr 24, 2023
1 hr 4 min

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Dave Wardman and Chandler Stevens, who are sitting down with Rafe to discuss the concept of reenchantment as outlined in Morris Berman’s book “The Reenchantment of the World”
If you enjoy the conversation, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Intro
00:22 – Ad | EMP Weekend Workshop Tour
01:21 - Weighing in on the book
09:28 - What is “Disenchantment”?
19:23 - The Perception Problem
23:28 - Liberation
30:38 - Categorization & Embodiment
42:10 - Anger & Rough & Tumble Play
44:57 - Wisdom and learning
54:41 - Schizophrenia & Shamanic Tradition
01:08:13 - Getting the practices to talk to each other
01:14:43 – Doing Community Well
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Dave Wardman
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-Web: https://physicalalchemy.com.au/
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Chandler Stevens
-Web https://chandlerstevens.com/
Apr 17, 2023
1 hr 39 min

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Rokas Leonavicius.
Rokas is a former Aikido instructor and founder of the Martial Arts Journey YouTube Channel.
Today he’ll be joining us to talk about his transformative journey through the world of martial arts, beginning as a die hard Aikido ka, finding himself disillusioned with the art and many of it’s practitioners, and eventually breaking from the dogma of his instructor and community to explore the world of Mixed Martial Arts.
Along the way, he’ll also share how this journey played a big role in shaping his own character, his career, and even his spiritual worldviews.
I really enjoyed this conversation, and if you do too, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:29 - Internal Ad | EMP Workshops
01:28 - Rokas’ Background
14:48 - Crisis of Faith
19:55 - The Importance of Pressure Testing
26:02 - Moving towards Combat Sports
31:50 - The Community Response
43:08 - Losing the Religion
50:30 - Questioning the Spiritual Aspect
57:42 - Changing World Views
01:07:15 - Finding Matt Thornton
01:17:05 - Professional MMA Training with John Kavanagh
01:22:46 - Reunifying Philosophy with Gymnasia
01:44:40 - Psychological Disciplines and Training for Transfer
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Rokas Leonavicius
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-Second YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Rokasleo
Apr 10, 2023
1 hr 58 min

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Austin Jochum.
Austin is the owner of Jochum Strength, where he’s been helping his athletes improve their game through exposing them to a wide variety of complex movement practices while utilizing a play-based, constraints led approach in training.
In this conversation we’re going to look at some of the specific ways he’s been implementing his method, the benefits that he’s seen in both his own performance and that of his athletes, the importance of using play to drive progress and fuel motivation, and the immense responsibility that coaches have in properly developing both the physical and mental qualities within their athletes and students.
I really enjoyed this conversation, and if you do too, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:17 – Internal Ad
02:35 - Bouldering Benefits
07:31 - The Transferability of Complexity
13:25 - Utilizing Play for Sports Performance
17:20 - Embracing Strengths and Addressing Weaknesses
26:13 - From Meathead to Movement Maven
32:11 - Fragile Strength
36:49 - Detrimental Coaching Practices & Placebo Effects
47:16 - Feeding and Escaping the Fragile Mindset
59:14 - Balancing Metrics and Intuitive Progress Tracking
01:03:46 - Athletic Programming
01:10:41 - Influences and Applications
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Austin Jochum
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-Web: https://www.jochumstrength.com/
Apr 3, 2023
1 hr 19 min

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Bobby Whyte, an athletic performance and basketball skill enhancement trainer operating out of Northern New Jersey.
Much of Bobby’s work as a basketball trainer is rooted in the constraints led approach which is a huge component of how we structure our teaching at Evolve Move Play, so it was really interesting to sit down with him and see how he applies his thinking to the world of basketball.
In today’s chat, we’ll learn a little bit about his past, how he struggled with and overcame heroin addiction, and how that experience has positively impacted the way he approaches and connects with his students today. We’ll also take a deep dive into his thoughts and practices around skill specific training, strength and conditioning work, and injury avoidance.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:17 – Internal Ad
00:50 - Intro/Bobby’s Backg-round
10:48 - Leading with Vulnerability
17:18 - Skill Specific Training, Overcoaching & Coyote Mentoring
28:58 - Integrating Strength & Skill
41:30 - Jump Training in Basketball
51:06 - Starting early, Pickup v. AAU, Pursuing Greatness
54:35 - Dealing with Jumper's Knee & Ankle Sprains
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Bobby Whyte
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Mar 29, 2023
1 hr 12 min

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
On this episode we’re joined once again by Chloe Valdary!
Chloe is the founder of Theory of Enchantment which helps businesses fight racism systematically by combining the teaching of Dr. Martin Luther King with developmental psychology and pop culture materials. Through her work she aims to help others develop their understanding of social emotional learning and improve their ability to take care of each other.
This chat will revolve around the topics of social justice, racism, and how Chloe’s work at Theory of Enchantment helps pave a better path towards bridging gaps in ideology and deeply recognizing the shared humanity in others.
If you enjoy the conversation, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Intro
00:31 – EMP Retreats
01:03 - Chloe’s background/What is Enchantment
16:37 - Reciprocal Narrowing/Opening/The Salience of Race
42:55 - Going Beyond the Propositional
52:52 - The Progress of the Civil Rights Movement
01:04:26 - The Problem with Utopia/DEI
01:16:55 - The Tyranny of Imposed Equity/Capitalism & Community
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Chloe Valdary
-IG: https://www.instagram.com/theoryofenchantment/
-Twitter: @enchanttheory or @cvaldary
-Web: https://www.theoryofenchantment.com
Resources Mentioned
Morris Berman - The Reenchantment of the Earth
Christopher Lasch - The True and Only Heaven
Tom Holland - Dominion
Jonathan Haidt - The Coddling of the American Mind
James Baldwin - The Fire Next Time
Martin Luther King Jr. - The Strength of Love
James Scott - Seeing Like a State
Mar 20, 2023
1 hr 33 min

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Bren Veziroglu, former Ido Portal student and founder of The Movement Cult, to talk about training to become a true movement generalist.
Bren has a strong background in strength training, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, hand balancing, and improvisation-based contemporary dance, and today we’ll be discussing a variety of topics around these disciplines as well as sharing insights around coaching, motor learning, and training optimization.
If you enjoy the conversation, please be sure to like, share, and subscribe if you aren’t already.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro/Bren’s Background
05:17 - What does it mean to be a movement generalist?
15:27 - Movement Hierarchy
20:31 - The Extraction Process
28:25 - Internal Ad: Online Courses
36:02 - Perception Action Coupling & Exploit vs Explore
50:57 - The Trap of the Generalist and the Specialist
59:00 - Dance, Grappling & Motor Digestion
01:24:16 - Motor Learning & Optimal Theory
01:45:47 - The Vicious & Virtuous Cycle
01:54:13 - Training Volume, Minimal Effective Dose & Overtraining
02:34:06 - Building Volume
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Bren Veziroglu
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-Web: https://www.themovementcult.com
Mar 13, 2023
2 hr 40 min
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