] Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be talking about the insane phenomenon of white women going to jail for scolding Black child grapists.[00:00:17] Simone Collins: Wait.[00:00:17] Malcolm Collins: And-[00:00:17] Simone Collins: So it’s, it’s finally the backlash against Karens is emerging, and yet it’s, This has,[00:00:22] Malcolm Collins: this has literally happened two times where there was a Black immigrant who graped a child, and then a white woman was sent to prison after scolding them, and in neither case did the Black immigrant face any prison time.[00:00:39] Simone Collins: Did they scold them in person? Whawas it violent scolding? Did they spank them?[00:00:44] Malcolm Collins: No, not really. So we’ll go over each case. One case was, a lot of people are familiar with the surface level of this case.[00:00:52] Simone Collins: Okay.[00:00:52] Malcolm Collins: The, the N-word case. And when I first heard about this case, I was like, yeah, you shouldn’t, like, just go around yelling the N-word at people in, like, a, a park or something like that.[00:01:00] Even, even in- Was[00:01:01] Simone Collins: this the one who, the woman who did this in a parking lot or something, and then vehemently defended it online, that woman?[00:01:07] Malcolm Collins: The trial just ended with, with her going to jail and-[00:01:11] Simone Collins: Trial? Trial?[00:01:12] Trial for using a word?[00:01:13] Malcolm Collins: Yes. I, I just told you. In a- I just... Sorry. We just went over two women went to jail. Yeah, but- how do you think this works?[00:01:22] Simone Collins: I don’t know, man, these days. I just, I, I, I don’t know. I this, this is too, this is too weird. This is very weird.[00:01:28] Malcolm Collins: Okay. But it gets weirder because I heard the, the, the gist of this case.[00:01:33] Okay. And I didn’t really think anything of it. I was like, I bet our side is blowing this out of proportion. It can’t really be that bad. I’m sure, you know, both sides, whatever on this stuff. Mm-hmm. These things are not a both sides issue. Hmm. In... I’ll, I’ll briefly describe the two cases. One is, remember when we looked at that gang grape of a child, a a young girl who was, I think 14 at the time,[00:02:01] Simone Collins: The one who was lured out to the woods by her so-called boyfriend at the time, and then- And-[00:02:06] attacked by his- And then gang[00:02:06] Malcolm Collins: graped by a group of migrants. Yeah. While[00:02:09] Simone Collins: they took videos on Snapchat.[00:02:10] Malcolm Collins: While they took videos, and then posted the videos to Snapchat, and almost none of them spent any time in jail. They got community service. Do you know who did spend time in jail after that?[00:02:18] Simone Collins: Who?[00:02:19] Malcolm Collins: A woman who texted one of them to say that he acted like a pig.[00:02:24] Simone Collins: A pig?[00:02:25] Malcolm Collins: Yes, and that she hopes he was disgusted with himself every time he looked at himself in the mirror.[00:02:31] Simone Collins: Like every day for most people online, like I’m not even like, this isn’t even a partisan thing. Like if you’re on the internet and you’re like, “I loved this movie,” someone’s gonna say that to you.[00:02:40] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, imagine if we could arrest people for saying that stuff about us online. Oh my gosh. Why don’t, why aren’t we immigrants, right? Like, let’s move to Germany or something, and then when people attack us, we just have them sent to jail. That’s crazy ... of course it wouldn’t work that way because it’s, it’s obvious.[00:02:56] I mean, it’s very obvious that them being Black or immigrants have played a big part in why the law is treating them so leniently, and their perpetrators of the crimes being white is a huge part of why they are going to jail.[00:03:11] Sorry if this is a shocking statement to you because you’re not keeping up with, well, the news or what’s been happening recently. , Across the West, this is in Europe and the United States, there have been repeated instances over the past, , half decade of crimes either being attributed to white people who clearly weren’t committed by white people, like there’s the entire list that keeps coming up or lists of,, to make it look as if white people are committing more crimes than they’re actually committing.[00:03:40] , Or, , instances in which a crime was clearly committed by an immigrant and then was attributed to a white person. , Like, , the Iraqi asylum seeker, , Jamal T living in Germany who struck and killed a fourteen-year-old Danish girl, and then the police told their parents that it was a German who did it.[00:03:56] , The Dutch police told them that it was a German who did [00:04:00] it, , rather than saying that it was an Iraqi who did it, and they explicitly said, “Because we didn’t want this to help right-wing politicians.” Now When BLM happened, I supported this because I believed that there was a systemic bias within police in specific areas against Black people.[00:04:16] But right now, and people can be like, “Well, the academics aren’t saying it.” Of course the academics wouldn’t say it. Of course ... Are you f*****g stupid? Of course the academics wouldn’t say it. You know that as well as I would know that. But you can also just look at the data that we’re seeing at this point around things like the grooming gang coverup and be like, there is a coverup around non-white crimes against whites, and that we should probably be doing something about this[00:04:42] Malcolm Collins: So that was one case And then the other case was the N-word case. So a woman was at the park with her kid, and a Somalian boy goes up and starts rifling through her diaper bag and stealing- This[00:04:55] Simone Collins: is the woman.[00:04:56] Yep, yep, yep, yep ...[00:04:57] Malcolm Collins: yeah. And she called him the N-word apparently, and, and shooed him off. And I will note here that when she went to court for this, for what she said to the child the court determined that she was not guilty. But then there was a separate instance that she went to court to, because after this happened, a Somalian guy who by the way himself had raped a child, we’ll get to that in a second- What?[00:05:21] Got up in her face and started yelling at her and filming her, and daring her to call him the N-word. Right. And after- Jesus Christ ... quite some time of being berated, she then called him the N-word and stuck out her tongue at him. This she was- Stuck out her tongue ... acquitted of. Mm. Now, I will note in court they were not allowed to talk about that this guy had raised $360,000 because this had, quote-unquote, “happened” to him.[00:05:49] It’s really something he instigated. This... And it wasn’t his child, by the way. It was a, a random other child, and he just decided to get in this woman’s face.[00:05:58] Simone Collins: Hmm.[00:05:59] Malcolm Collins: Which is really creepy, but it’s really sort of a, “You do this to anyone in our community, and we can do anything we want to you. We can just, like, we are...[00:06:07] You, you are second-class citizens in your country.” We[00:06:10] Simone Collins: can- The Karen got out-Karend, yeah ...[00:06:12] Malcolm Collins: however we want to you. Well, I mean, this reminds me a lot of the instance in, in Central Park where there was the Black guy who, like, threatened to kill the woman’s dog. Yeah,[00:06:21] Simone Collins: he out-Karend the Karen, exactly.[00:06:23] Malcolm Collins: Well, because yeah, they, they realize that they have...[00:06:25] Like, when we see these kinds of displays in public, what we’re seeing is people who know. When we saw those kids release the video of the gang rape on Snapchat, it showed that they knew they wouldn’t be punished. Yes. That the legal system existed to protect them and to punish people who do not look like them.[00:06:43] The-[00:06:43] Simone Collins: So this is a story of parties acting with impunity supplanting another party, white women, that used to believe that they had impunity.[00:06:52] Malcolm Collins: Exactly. And, and the, and the system has flipped, and people are seeing the system flipping. I mean, we saw heavy evidence of this at the Anthony trial where,[00:07:01] Simone Collins: Accerella Anthony, yeah[00:07:02] Malcolm Collins: yeah, where a lot of people were... Nobody disagreed that the kid was in a place he was asked not to be. He stayed there well over time. The other person was just pushing him out of the tent, and he stabbed him to death. Everyone agrees with that. But we saw tons of Black people in America think that he didn’t deserve to be punished for that, that you just get to kill white people.[00:07:24] Speaker 5: For an understanding of how bad this situation is, this is a case in which an individual arrested for murder, and everyone agrees that this person murdered someone. , And when they were convicted, there were instances of individuals roaming around the town that this happened in and attacking random white homeless people[00:07:44] Hey, wasn’t he on jury selection? No. No, he wasn’t. Oh, man. No, he wasn’t[00:07:48] Malcolm Collins: And this is what we’re seeing right here, is when... A- and when I say that, I mean that very seriously. Like, it is clear from the protests that they believed, “ Well, it was his first [00:08:00] time doing it.” Like, therefore... first time in a premeditated murder? Like, what are you talking about? The... What are you talking ab- You don’t get to kill children.[00:08:10] And the two instances here, what makes them so crazy is it’s not just that the white women went to jail, but that both of these people had graped a child and not gone to jail. So a lot of people are unaware of how strong the evidence is that this guy himself did grape a child. So there was a 16-year-old who was in foster care and ran away And he picked her up- I’ve[00:08:31] Simone Collins: heard about her too.[00:08:32] Yeah, yeah, yeah ...[00:08:32] Malcolm Collins: and then he took her shoes so she couldn’t easily run away from hi- the, the place that he put her ‘cause it was like not an easy place where you could run away. And he apparently was living there with some other guys. And they, over the course of I wanna say like a week, ga- like just regularly graped her.[00:08:46] And they also- Ugh ... when, when she finally escaped and they found her, she was severely malnourished. It looked like she was gonna die if she stayed there much longer. Ugh. And they took her in and they did a sexual violence test on her, and they all came back positive. So she was absolutely, as a child, graped by this man, okay?[00:09:04] No, this, the judge wouldn’t let this be mentioned in the trial. He wouldn’t let it be mentioned that this guy had raised $360,000 off of this. He wouldn’t let it be ra- raised, that the GoFundMe was still operational. The, the, the defense attorney said it felt like the judge was acting alongside the prosecutor in this trial.[00:09:22] To understand how unfair this trial was, you know when they’re like, “Oh, there was no Black people in the...” First of all, there were people of multiple ethnicities. And the reason there was no Black people, because the Black people kept saying, “I wouldn’t convict a Black person, so I can’t be on this trial.”[00:09:35] So they used that to, to get out of the trial, right? Like, that was completely like the courts operating as they’re supposed to. And, and just in case you’re wondering, Black people show up for jury duty at half the rate white people show up for jury duty, which is another reason why they were less proportionally on the, on the trial.[00:09:50] If you want to get the exact numbers on this, non-response to jury summons for white people is twelve percent, and for Black people, it’s forty-four percent[00:09:58] Malcolm Collins: But in the case, in, in this particular case, the judge kept the trial going for 10 hou- it, it was until 10 at night. That is incredibly rare for a trial of this type. And it appears that he was trying to force what was an otherwise hung jury to come to an outcome, and there was some Karen on the jury, likely some Black Karen on the jury that was just like, “No, you absolutely have to convict this woman of something even if we’re dropping the, the instance with the child.”[00:10:23] That’s what it looks like, and it looks like the judge was explicitly hiding evidence that would have made this go away. But anyway, to this girl. So you could say why wasn’t he convicted of graping the girl? He was convicted of graping the girl because the trial took so long to get to trial that by the time it got to trial she had moved out of the state and didn’t wanna be associated with the case anymore.[00:10:45] Simone Collins: Oh. I mean, I get it, but...[00:10:49] Malcolm Collins: This got... The, no, but it shows that, that there are groups of people who feel like they can do things with impunity within our country and in, within other countries because there, there was the case in Europe that we talked about, right? The, the instance there. And what I wanted to go deeper into with this is the best way to respond to and deal with this long-term, okay?[00:11:15] Because a lot of people have just been like, “Well-[00:11:21] We should be more racist ourselves. We should have more in-group biases ourselves. We should th- this is the appropriate reaction to this. Or just rage is the appropriate reaction to this. But if you are a, a, a fan of this show, you know that the thing that we care about most is being pragmatic, looking for real long-term solutions to the problems of society right now.[00:11:47] And just increasing white racism against non-white groups will do literally nothing to make this better. And you’re like, “No, no, no. It will [00:12:00] help us make it better because we can, like, do what they’re doing.” And it’s like, how is that, how is that gonna help long term? It’s just going to justify in their minds what they’re doing and make it worse, while also preventing and hurting and pushing out the Black people, and there are a lot of them in the United States, who have fully integrated into American culture and do not show these behavioral patterns.[00:12:26] And this is true for every ethnicity, because then you start to do this with any ethnicity that is gaming the system to outsiders. And you create a very, very small tent, and it’s a tent that can’t win electoral victories and looks evil because everyone knows when you say, and this is something that a, you know- Everybody, every, every real American who’s not, like, a complete shut-in, incel loser, all right, has some friend of some group that does this sort of stuff in a negative context that is completely and fully bought into American culture, excited about American culture it...[00:13:07] That they would see as, as very, very, very American. E- e- every- everybody does. Everybo- And, and I’m not saying they... And not everybody has one of each group. Like, everybody might not have a Muslim, and a Hispanic, and a Black, and a you know, a Sikh, and a Indian. But I’d actually say if, if you’re, like, a well, like...[00:13:28] I don’t know. If you’re in our, or s- For example, in our circles, we have multiple in every one of those categories that is completely the most American person I’ve ever met.[00:13:38] Simone Collins: Yeah.[00:13:38] Malcolm Collins: And so when you go out there and you, as a political stance, say, “This group can never be fully American, and we should always be wary of this group,” whatever that group is a large part of the electorate that otherwise would be sympathetic when they hear a case like this is gonna pull away from you, right?[00:13:58] So the better strategy in terms of a reaction to this is to be much, much clearer that it is an us versus the them scenario, but an us versus them is not directly on ethnic lines. Us is the people who are playing within American culture, excited about the sort of Pan-American vision, and that shame this culture.[00:14:23] And the them, and now that you have isolated the them to not be all X group or all Y group, but the genuine bad actors within X or Y group. The reason you wanna do this is because then you can escalate the punishment that you want that group and you want to signal that that group should have. Exactly.[00:14:41] Because if you just go out there and are like, “We need to eradicate these communities in the United States,” and you use a term that’s too big to define these communities, then people are gonna be like, “Look, I agree this is a problem, too but now you’re talking about, like, people who I might consider, like, friends or stuff like that, or people who I know are genuinely bought into America and served in the military and blah blah blah blah blah.”[00:15:06] Mm-hmm. “Like, how dare you say that?” But when you then go, “No, no, no, no, no, no, no.” When I say bad actors, I’m, I’m, I’m... I mean, like, the actual bad acting communities, and against those communities, I wanna take a maximalist stance, a stance that is more aggressive than you would see out of... Because for example, a group that makes this mistake is the Gropers.[00:15:28] The Gropers create too big. They go all Indians, or they go all, you know, whatever, all Blacks, all whatever. And so then even in their often shocking to people stances about what needs to happen to these communities, it’s still fairly light. Like, “Well, we should look at them with more suspicion,” or, “We should maybe deport them when they’re breaking the law or not legal citizens.”[00:15:52] Right? You know, which that is sort of like the maximalist Gropers stance. And that’s because they’re, they’re looking too large. But if I then ... [00:16:00] If you then come in there with the position that we are taking, which is No. You need to define narrowly and I think this is what Denmark did that was really good when we were talking about the way that Denmark handled immigrant communities where they’re like, “How do we determine what’s a bad community and what’s a good community?[00:16:24] Well, if we have an immigrant family and one person in the family commits a crime, then we deport everyone in the family.” That’s an easy way to do it. That promotes in-group policing, right? And people are like, “Well, then innocent people will face the judgment for others’ innocence.” What you are looking for is proportional like, like what’s the probability that anyone coming into the country is going to be a negative net externality for the country, right?[00:16:51] So you would say if someone in a family has committed a crime, the probability that somebody else in that family, especially from an immigrant group, is going to commit a crime goes up dramatically, dramatically, dramatically, especially if you’re talking about future generations. So you can just fix that by removing them.[00:17:07] You know, not everyone deserves a place in the United States or in Europe. And I think another thing that we can begin to advocate more for, and I would really want this to be a mainstream advocated position within Europe and the United States, I think is an easy thing to argue for which is that we should have countrywi- wide immigration quotas based on crime rates and welfare rates of people who come from that country.[00:17:34] So if we have a Somalian immigrants, we can look at the Somalian immigrant crime statistic vis-a-vis other immigrant groups. We can look at their welfare statistic vis-a-vis other groups, and then we can apply in sort of a, a global lottery. Okay, if you’re coming from a country where almost everybody coming from that country does not commit crimes then we can take immigrants from that country.[00:17:58] If you’re coming from a country where almost everybody coming from that country does commit crimes then y- we, we can’t take you. I’m sorry, we just can’t take many people. I think a lot of the problems that we are looking at, and this is very fair because then this isn’t done based on ethnicity.[00:18:13] This isn’t done based on, you know, any of those other things. Now, what you could say is, “Okay, well, what if you get people, like, migrating to a country like the UK or something like that for one generation and then migrating over?” I mean, if I was implementing this, I would probably implement the subheader that it is per ethnicity per country.[00:18:31] E.g. you would treat somebody of Pakistani heritage who was living in the UK differently than you would treat someone of British heritage in the, the statistics in terms of the amount of people you would take. But, you know, that’s gonna be a lot spicier for the general public. Okay. So those are sort of policy moves that we can make in the short term. I think in the long term, the position that we need to take, the sort of nerd right, the, the[00:19:06] Because as I pointed out, there’s like two sort of factions forming within the right. One has mostly gone off and seems to be b- better bedfellows with the left, but they draw from a similar pool of disaffected people who realize, especially young white men who are, realize that they are being systemically discriminated against.[00:19:24] Simone Collins: Mm.[00:19:24] Malcolm Collins: And the groypers draw from this pool and the nerd right draws a lot from this pool as well. But has a much broader audience because we frankly don’t position ourselves like idiots and just sort of masturbate anger. It’s about actually winning. And one of the keys to actually winning while also maximally punishing the bad actors is bringing in people who are culturally American, who are good actors, who are otherwise ethnically or formerly [00:20:00] culturally from these sorts of communities.[00:20:02] Because when we can do that, then we can all together act in the way that these communities act. Mm ... which is that, that’s the defense of our own that we should be implementing. And you can tell ... I’m gonna, I’m just be honest. Like, people are like, “Well, how do we, how do we know?” You can f*****g tell. You can tell the moment you f*****g see someone, you can hear the moment you hear them start talking which group they’re in.[00:20:26] Right? They, they don’t exactly hide it. All right? They’re not exactly, like, sneaky about it, okay? They’re ... And people can be like, “Well, maybe they’re code switching or whatever.” And it’s like, yeah, except the people who are ... Okay, like, let’s talk about Black people, right? Like, we’ll just talk about the Black community here, ‘cause a lot of people here that’s, that’s what this particular context is about, although it’s more about Black immigrants, which are in the process of replacing the existing Black American community, which only have a birth rate of around 1.3 and it’s just being completely replaced by, by African immigrants.[00:20:59] But there are also many good, you know, African immigrants. I’m not gonna say that as well, but talk about Black Americans. So I’ll, I’ll go over two for you, right? You’ve got one, like I’ll describe most of my Black friends, ‘cause we, we’ve got a number of Black friends. They are married, they are C- Christian, they have kids within their marriage.[00:21:19] They dress well, they are well-spoken. And then you have somebody yelling, “Call me the N-word,” in a park. Now, that is not a behavior that any of the, the Black Americans that I consider a friend could conceivably even accidentally do. It’s, it’s not about code-switching. Of course they code-switch when they’re in certain communities, but it’s a, it’s a, a, a way of acting.[00:21:46] And actually it’s, you’ve got to know that the, the, the people in these communities who want to be fully American, they often have dealt with more BS from these communities than even you have. The- Mm-hmm ... the, like one of my Black friends, really cool guy he actually had his eye knocked out of his head and dislocated by other Black kids who like were bullying him.[00:22:12] I think it was, I think it was actually because they said that he acted too white. What? If I remember correctly.[00:22:16] Simone Collins: Ah.[00:22:19] Malcolm Collins: So like, you, now, but I, I’m just saying like when you know the, these communities, the way that they try to punish their quote unquote defectors, look at,[00:22:29] Simone Collins: for example- No, this actually went, this went viral.[00:22:31] So there’s this woman who moved from the East Coast to somewhere I think in California a woman who moved from I guess a primarily Black community to a community that only has like two other Black residents. Yeah. And she- I, I’ve seen[00:22:43] Malcolm Collins: her. She’s fantastic. We,[00:22:44] Simone Collins: yeah, she’s really fun, and she’s like, “Look at my son having fun in this pool.[00:22:48] Speaker 6: I’m gonna tell you something. It’s a shame how many Black people are coming in my box talking to me. ‘Cause I am actually happy that I am living in a neighborhood that is clean, beautiful, clear, quiet, and it just so happened to be around nothing but white people. And I got Black people trying to make me feel bad ‘cause I wanted to raise my son in an environment where I don’t want him thinking smoking crack and being a prostitute, and then keeping your neighborhood dirty and dri- riding around disturbing the peace and with your pants up under your and you walk around wearing bunnets and being a bunch of dirty foot w****s and your fat ass kids is normal.[00:23:38] Simone Collins: Are you gonna tell me that I’m making the wrong decision?” And sh-[00:23:41] her, like, disses are insane. Yeah, I, yeah, the hate that has hit her is also insane.[00:23:47] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, the hate that she’s getting is beyond anything that, for example, Nick Fuentes has got in his entire life, like- Yeah,[00:23:54] Simone Collins: for real.[00:23:55] For real. For real, and all she’s, has done is move to a different community and expressed that she enjoys [00:24:00] it.[00:24:00] And I think that a lot of people who haven’t made friends in these sorts of communities are just unaware of how done people in these communities are with the bad actors in their community and how much they want them flushed out of the community. , You- here’s a great, , video that Asma Gold was covering where some crazy, , a Black lady having an, an N-word moment, , grabs a cop’s gun and just shoots it randomly.[00:24:24] She could have literally shot anyone, hit the cop. , Literally it’s the wildest thing I’ve ever seen. And when she’s on the ground being detained and trying to get sympathy from passersby, they’re like, “ What’s wrong with you?” Like, they don’t want this in their neighborhood. Nobody wants that in their neighborhood, right?[00:24:41] The problem is these white women who don’t have to deal with the consequences of preventing police enforcement or a plan like this from actually being carried out[00:24:51] Asmogold: Get up off[00:24:53] me. Let go... Stop. Let go of my gun. Goddammit.[00:24:58] Ow. Oh my God, bro, like-[00:25:06] Why did you even have it outside? Cease shot fire. Oh my God[00:25:09] Oh my God. Goddamn[00:25:14] Jesus. Why[00:25:15] did you even have it on safety? It’s not fired.[00:25:16] Why did you have it loaded? Ah! Hit her again. Call the police. Get out the truck. I’m pregnant. 13-1, citizen. I’m pregnant.[00:25:27] This guy’s just sitting there talking s**t to her. Oh my God[00:25:40] Sit down! Keep your mouth[00:25:48] shut. Quit walking away. Sit down. Sit down. Call the police. Don’t you move. Sit the f**k down. Don’t you f*****g touch me. Sit down. B***h, get away from my house. I ain’t gonna move. Huh? Yeah, b***h. Shut your mouth. Look at my face. Look at my face. This is what officers did to me. Shut up.[00:25:49] Good. Shut up. Just keep your mouth shut. Why? But what- He just... It’s a random guy, “Shut up. Keep your mouth shut.”[00:25:56] Malcolm Collins: Look at Adam McGold’s girlfriend right now, all the hate that she’s getting from Asian men.[00:26:00] Simone Collins: I, I don’t know anything about[00:26:02] Malcolm Collins: what’s happening there. So, so his current girlfriend is Chinese. And all of these Asians online are like, “Oh, proving the stereotype. Chinese girls will just sleep with any white guy.[00:26:11] You know, betraying your Asian heritage, betray...” It’s like maybe it’s because she identifies as American and acts as American, and these sort of things don’t matter to her anymore, right? Basically what I’m pushing for here is a be maximally inclusive about people who want to be truly American, but then maximally punishing of the outside group, right?[00:26:36] Mm. Because I, I mean, this is, you know, her or you can, you can see this from probably you don’t see this as much from Indians or Jews. They typically don’t have to deal as much if they integrate too much from, from their own communities. But you, you definitely see it from Asians and Blacks. So they’ll definitely target their own if they’re being overly American.[00:26:55] Yeah. Yeah ... and, and you see it a bit from Hispanics as well. It’s not as strong as Blacks and Asians, but you definitely see it. Mm. And, and of course you know, a, when you, when you go after and you say, “I wanna punish these groups,” and anybody knows this who has friends from these communities, they’re like, “Oh yeah, absolutely F that, that community.”[00:27:12] Like, if you’ve got Hispanic friends and you know about the Hispanic gangs or communities committing crimes the ones who want to be fully American, they’re like, “Oh yeah, you just go in and you just like execute all of those people. My life would be so much better if you handled that.” Yeah ... because they identify as American, and they don’t like this, these other communities casting aspersions on them.[00:27:37] And what, and this is where you can say, “Well then, legally how do you determine, by the way, if people are like, “How, how dare you allow her to say the N word,” or something like that- If somebody grapes a child, okay, I think they sort of fall into the category. Like, The Boondocks N-word scene, right, where, like, they’re having an N-word moment-[00:27:59] Simone Collins: [00:28:00] Oh[00:28:00] Speaker 15: Webster defines a[00:28:01][00:28:01] Speaker 15: moment as a moment when ignorance overwhelms the mind of an otherwise logical[00:28:06][00:28:06] Speaker 15: male.[00:28:07] Speaker 14: What did you say, b***h ?[00:28:08][00:28:09] Speaker 14: Hey, squeeze it, .[00:28:10][00:28:10][00:28:10] Speaker 15: Causing him to act in an illogical, self-destructive manner, i.e.,[00:28:16] like a .[00:28:16][00:28:17] Speaker 15: But they all end up bad. If they had their own category,[00:28:21][00:28:21] Speaker 15: moments would be the third leading killer of Black men behind pork chops and FEMA. It’s a fact.[00:28:28] Malcolm Collins: that is exactly what this guy was doing. That is within the, like, the Black community, the definition of the N-word in the negative context. The, the, if, if, if the trial was, which is what I would make it, is this man or is this man not being the N-word right now? Like, here’s a, a definition of the N-word.[00:28:48] Is he being the N-word? That is, No, but I, in the court of, like, sane public opinion,[00:28:53] And the reason I say in the court of sane public opinion is I’m talking about sane Black people as well. I’m talking about like there are, and I think that this is really important to emphasize for people, the majority, , of Black people who are having kids, who have stable families are on our side in this.[00:29:11] When they see something like this, they are mortified. They are disgusted. The future of the Black community is not this. Okay?[00:29:21][00:29:21] Malcolm Collins: Sane, like- Well,[00:29:21] Simone Collins: I also think that hate speech laws in general became irrelevant when the internet came online and was, gained wide- widespread use because everything is hate speech online. Like, it, it is a means of communication.[00:29:36] It, it is not even hateful. It is just the vocabulary used. I, I, it’s so impractical to make it, to legalize it now. I think in the same way that the the hurdle to pass as defamation is so high if you’re famous, hate speech needs to have a much higher standard for, like, being illegal in any country.[00:30:02] Like, you have to have provably hurt someone’s employment prospects, wealth you know- Yeah, well- ... like family relations or something, right? You, you can’t just be like, “Well, this person said a naughty thing.”[00:30:15] Malcolm Collins: I, I think that wha- what we... I mean, it, I, I think for me, honestly, the longer this goes on, the more I see these communities abusing America and, and American systems the more I see them abusing people even of their, their own ethnic groups, their own communities, the, all of that, right?[00:30:32] Like, the, the Black community was the community when they would ask people. It was all the white Karens who were like, “I want less police.” And the Black communities were like, “No, no, no, no, no. We, we want the same amount of police or more police.” Like, that’s, that’s what they were saying. So if you have this view that the majority of Black people in America are actually of the un-American variety, for example you’re just wrong.[00:30:55] I, I’m just gonna say, like, you’re just wrong. E- even in the ghettos, the vast majority want the ghettos clean from crime. They want people to have good employment. They want thriving communities, right? And they understand that if you came through door by door, house by house, and you cleaned up the bad acting families...[00:31:16] And the reason I say families here is you can’t do this at the individual level, because then if they have kids, well, what happens if the kids stay in the country? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah,[00:31:23] Simone Collins: yeah.[00:31:24] Malcolm Collins: You, you really need to weed from the root. You clean out the bad acting families. Do you know how quickly America’s ghettos would revitalize?[00:31:32] Do you know- Mm ... like, across all of it, all of this, how quickly so many communities would heal? The Hispanic communities in the United States, how quickly they would be able to heal if community by community you pulled out the bad actors by the roots, and created an incentive to actually Americanize? Or your Germanize or Britishize or whatever you wanna say.[00:31:54] And I would go further with this and say that, like, I think that... [00:32:00] Look, there’s short-term goals we can have, like immigration regulations based on crime statistics of immigrants from that country. But where would I go maximally? Like, what would I say is maximally the goal if we gain more and more political power, like the ability to actually...[00:32:17] It, it is frankly full deportations of all families that have not Americanized. I think we tried the multicultural experiment in the United States,[00:32:28] Simone Collins: Well, in many other places. In the UK, in Germany-[00:32:30] Malcolm Collins: In the UK ... in Sweden and note here, I’ll even make the term pretty broad here.[00:32:34] They, they appear to have an aspiration to naturalize.[00:32:39] Simone Collins: Hmm.[00:32:39] Malcolm Collins: Do, do they, do they appear? Because, you know, maybe they just got here, maybe they’re from a place where, like, the, it is culturally genuinely different enough that they w- you know, they’re, they’re not, you know, speaking fluent English day one, they’re not whatever.[00:32:53] But if they’re not, then, you know, have a checklist, and have monitoring. So you can put AI monitoring. If they ever on social media say, “I hate America, I hate white people, I hate...” You know, which is something a lot of them are saying. Like, “I think we, we need to kill all white people.”[00:33:08] You will see this regularly in these communities, like the one who the Britain fought to get extradited from Egypt- Hmm[00:33:13] because he was put in jail in Egypt, and the British government was like, “Oh, I’m, we’re so proud to have saved this person,” and you go through his tweet history and it’s, “I wanna kill all white people.” We need to accept that there is, while it may not be the majority of some of these communities, it’s, it’s, it’s very frequently a sizable minority.[00:33:28] And that sizable minority, I think just export. Just get rid of them. Just get rid of them. Like, we don’t need them here. If anyone is saying, “I think we should kill all Black people,” if anyone’s saying, “I think we should kill all Indians,” if anyone’s saying, “I think that they are culturally un-American,” , i- or, “Kill all Jews.”[00:33:44] I think that they are culturally un-American and ship them to Haiti. It doesn’t matter. The, the, no one in our political faction has ever said anything like that. You’re never gonna find an Asmongold post, you’re never gonna find a Leaflet post, you’re never gonna find a, a Tech Tone post about how we need to kill all of X group, okay?[00:34:05] That is disgusting behavior. It’s un-American behavior, and if you have found yourself doing that because you thought it’s cool and edgy, you know, maybe we’ll have some sort of, like, time window on how this would work, like past however many years. But you need to know that people in our community, like the real, like, nerd right, see you as un-American as we see a Black person saying, “We should kill all white people.”[00:34:28] And, and I mean, no Frank, like if I was president and it was operating under my regime with this, at the Anthony trial, you, you, you have police there. Somebody goes “White lives don’t matter,” arrest them to Haiti. Sa- To Haiti.[00:34:43] Simone Collins: Straight to Haiti. To[00:34:44] Malcolm Collins: Haiti. Same if somebody say, “Black lives don’t matter,” arrest them to Haiti.[00:34:47] Now, the reason I would use Haiti is I really think it’s, it’s look, it’s a bad look to, like execute people. And you, you’ve gotta send... Because nobody, a, a lot of countries aren’t gonna want these people. These people will probably be a net positive for Haiti given the situation in Haiti right now, where like 89% of people with a college degree leave the country, right?[00:35:03] W- well, that’s one of the reasons they’re in such a bad situation is they’ve got no human capital. And so, you send people there and- Haiti doesn’t have the geopolitical clout to push them back to America or throw a big enough fit for anyone to care. Mm. If they start, if, if, if Europe starts throwing a fit, I’m gonna be like, “Hey, hey, hey, Paris, why don’t you pay Haiti back?[00:35:22] Why, why don’t you pay Haiti back, Paris? Because you owe them a lot of money. You, you made them pay for their own freedom so why don’t you pay them back? The, your banks still own those loans, Paris, so why don’t you handle that? Oh, you’re not gonna handle that? Then w- we’ll just keep shipping.” I choose Haiti for a reason, okay?[00:35:43] It’s close, it’s cheap, you can send a lot of people there, they’re not gonna be able to get back very easily. You know, it’s not like they can just come back through really easily. Easy, easy way to handle the, the situation. And then you can be honest, hon- like, very seriously, honestly, I think you ship all these, like, un-American, like, racist [00:36:00] types to Haiti and they’ll begin to form their own communities there, which will likely be heavily racially segregated, but because they’re all, like, just known racists, it would work really well, right?[00:36:09] Like, you’d have, like, the, the, the, the r- racist white community there, you have the racist Black community there, you have the racist, you know, Well,[00:36:17] Simone Collins: and don’t those communities also h- like, get along really well? ‘Cause they prefer[00:36:22] Malcolm Collins: segregation- They, they all think, yeah, like, the, the super racist whites get along super well with the super racist Blacks because they both hate the Jews more than each other.[00:36:28] Simone Collins: Well, and, and they also prefer segregation and kind of hate each other, and they appreciate not being forced to mix, I think. And, like, pr- they, they appreciate not being forced to try to get along or something or pretend that they’re not different cultures.[00:36:42] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I even think that, I even think that even these communities might prefer this.[00:36:46] Now of course, I would be a bit more aggressive in how I did[00:36:49] Simone Collins: this in terms of- Well, no one wants to be in Haiti. Let’s be clear about that part.[00:36:53] So, you know.[00:36:54] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but I, p- a- and people are like, this is a, when, and f- this is the thing that’s gonna be so hard for people if I actually move to implementing this.[00:37:03] I’m like, okay, so you think that people should be able to call for the extermination of an entire ethnic group. And then they’re gonna be like, “Well, oh, no, well, I mean, if it’s white pe-” It’s like, okay, it’s, it’s Jews. It’s like, no, no, no, no. How about we just make a blanket ban on that? We say that’s one of the boundaries of what it means to be an American, and we get rid of all of those people.[00:37:19] That would be really easy. I, I also I, I don’t think when, when people say, You know, kill all men or, or kill all women or whatever, right? Like, like, w- we, we can live without the other, et cetera. That’s another thing, completely un-American thing to say. That, that is, that is not traditional American values.[00:37:34] That has never been American values. Get out.[00:37:36] And the dragnet that’s going to get the most people is kill all gays. You know, even conservatives who are truly American who disagree with gays don’t wanna kill them. The people who wanna kill them are truly un-American. And the reason this gets so many people is anybody who genuinely wants to implement Sharia law wants to kill all gays.[00:37:55] , There was a recent poll in the Britain that showed over fifty percent of Muslims in Britain wanted being gay to be illegal. Now, it didn’t go further and say they meant illegal as in terms of Sharia law, but it was a survey on Sharia law, and within Sharia law, the punishment for being gay is m-- death.[00:38:13] A-- While I think that America, , you can be Muslim and be perfectly American, you cannot be a Muslim who wants Sharia law implemented and be perfectly American. You have to leave. , And I extend this further outside of America. , I extend it to Canada. When I say American, I mean our broad cultural mindset.[00:38:30] I hate this idea of, like, the West or whatever. It’s not the West, it’s America. It’s American culture, and all of you bums are just living in it. So, , anyone who can’t fully naturalize to Americanism in Germany or Britain or Canada, , these sorts of individuals, get ‘em out. I think that there is no reason for a country to be taking on immigrants that want to exterminate another group eventually, okay?[00:38:56] That is not, that is not something that is, , compatible with our value system. And if your response to this is, “But that means you’ll be kicking out people who were born in the country. Doesn’t anyone who’s born in a country have a right to...” Look at what just happened in Germany, where there was the Muslim terrorist who drove a van into a pride parade, okay? , This individual had tried to join ISIS.[00:39:20] People knew that he had a terroristic intent, and the reason the German government didn’t remove him, despite him making it very clear he wanted to murder all gay people, , multiple times, literally the next day he had a, quote-unquote, “de-radicalization session,” , was because he was born in Germany. We need to remove this, “Oh, they were born here” thing.[00:39:41] If somebody is loudly signaling they want to murder everyone in an ex- a, a group that is not theirs, that is the loudest sign that they are not an American or whatever, German-American, whatever. Get ‘em out Another thing I don’t think is compatible with the American value system is having sex with children. , I’ve [00:40:00] talked about how that can hurt other groups that, , do not have as long a fertility as white people do because white people have a significantly further, longer fertility window, up to three years longer than other ethnic groups.[00:40:09] , At least one year longer, depending on the study you’re looking at, which can be- mean a lot if you don’t start having kids until you’re, like, thirty-eight or something like that, which a lot of people don’t. , That can, like, basically double your fertility rate. , But you know, if you’re gonna come to the United States, if you’re gonna come to Germany, if you’re gonna come to the Britain, I’m sorry, no marrying nine-year-olds, okay? That’s not- That’s not something that we’re gonna do in our country even if you do it in the country that you come from[00:40:30] Speaker 2: Well, if you was born in Pakistan, originally from Pakistan, you must have been kidnapped by me. Would have been kidnapped by you? Of course. ‘Cause there is no option to get you, right? Okay. You have your, your women over there, though. Seriously. So you are in Canada, so I cannot say to you anything. Okay. I cannot touch you anything.[00:40:47] Good, it is Canada. Yeah, well[00:40:48][00:40:48] Malcolm Collins: And the f- the people have to come back and they have to be like, “No, no, no, no, no, this is a perfectly good thing to fight for politically. This is a perfectly...” I, I actually think and, and just imagine the country that we could have after this. If you actually did a complete extradition of all of the communities in America that...[00:41:09] And, and obviously people are gonna be like, “Oh, they’re crying people on, on whatever.” I would make it people are like, “Oh, freedom of speech, freedom to, to film cops,” whatever. You know, I, I’d work on fixing that. I, I don’t think that you should have the freedom i- if you’re doing a big campaign like this because then it looks bad and it goes on the news and everybody hates it.[00:41:26] So, yeah, if somebody’s filming this happening, arrest them, too.[00:41:30] Simone Collins: Oh, just for being a passive party to, to-[00:41:33] Malcolm Collins: Yeah ... not doing anything? I, I do not think the idea... What we’re seeing with these ICE raids right now where you’re having tons of protesters like trying to physically block them with their cars- Ah[00:41:42] surrounding them with cameras, everything like that, it basically makes doing what needs to be done impossible.[00:41:49] Simone Collins: And- Well, that’s their job. Well, that, that is what they are attempting to do. They are attempting to prevent these people from carrying out .[00:41:54] I think the woke regime doesn’t realize how much actions like repeatedly jailing people for calling out child grapists who were not punished under the law in multiple Western countries, stuff like this, stuff like the, well, not punishing them in the first place, the hiding of the grape gangs, the, all of this stuff, how much it cumulatively is pushing average Americans like myself further and further and further to the right in terms of my long-term prescription, in terms of how we never, ever allow this to happen again.[00:42:32] And, th-they, they’re going to be shocked with our power base finally gains power, right? Like, at, at how much further things are going to go than what you’re seeing out of the Trump administration right now. Because I think that the average American who’s not one of these woke weirdos who aren’t reproducing, who aren’t represented in the next generation at the same rates, , once they, when they start to lose power, it’s going to be really, really bad for them.[00:43:00] Because so many of them are gonna say something like, “Well, what do, what do you mean you should just be able to... That’s a, of our whatever amendment rights.” And, and my take is, who’s the most beloved president in American history, or one of them? Abraham Lincoln, who completely ignored all of those rights.[00:43:17] Abraham Lincoln. Okay? , You, we, they don’t-- Th- that, that actually isn’t particularly correlated to h- what a president can actually do and how we see a president. It’s just how do you get around them in the moment, right? , In terms of the way I would handle this, I’d probably just push, a policy that anybody who interferes with the, carrying out of a law enforcement officer’s duty is guilty of the crime of the individual that they are attempting to prevent from being arrested.[00:43:48] , Because they are making that crime likely to be carried out in the future That’s, that’s where I’d go with that. And you can, you can build laws like this during, you know, periods of, , martial law, stuff like [00:44:00] that, , which is what you would need to do this because you’d have to govern as an executive. , But I’m just done with it. I’m just completely done with it. We have to fix this.[00:44:08] We cannot have law enforcement officers going out there and having, , civilians constantly harass them and protect people who are rapists, people who are , , drug dealers, people who ruin lives of other humans systematically. That is not something that we can allow to continue.[00:44:25] Malcolm Collins: Well, you send them to Haiti, what do they get killed and eaten by what- what’s his face? Barbecue, right?” It’s[00:44:30] Simone Collins: like-[00:44:30] Malcolm Collins: Barbecue. ...[00:44:31] Simone Collins: well, I still, I do hold that it would be amazing to bring back some form of penal colonies because they appear to have worked.[00:44:41] I mean, Australia’s doing great. Again, like, I need to learn more about the history of how Australia became Australia. Well, that, that’s what we would be[00:44:45] Malcolm Collins: doing here, just ship them all, ship them all to Haiti.[00:44:47] Simone Collins: Right, except, so Haiti’s not ideal- Why? ... because... Well, so Australia didn’t have the same level of baggage.[00:44:54] And they, they didn’t, for example, like strip all the forests off the land, making it uniquely poor.[00:45:01] Malcolm Collins: That is... Simone, Australia was an incredibly dangerous place to be shipped to. Sure. The death rate, I absolutely guarantee you, if we did this and shipped people to Haiti, the death rate would be- Fewer[00:45:10] Simone Collins: people would[00:45:11] Malcolm Collins: die than-[00:45:11] way, way, way lower[00:45:13] Simone Collins: than the early- Yeah, I guess I’m forgetting Australia, where, like, everything is slightly different and extremely poisonous.[00:45:18] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and they were in the Australian wilderness. Where even the[00:45:20] Simone Collins: koalas have, like, chlamydia and will k- kill you with that.[00:45:23] Malcolm Collins: And most of the cont- What other- ... country, continent is a, a desert as well.[00:45:28] Simone Collins: Yeah.[00:45:29] Malcolm Collins: One of the most brutal deserts on earth.[00:45:31] Simone Collins: Yeah, fair, fair. Yeah, it’d just be, we gotta terraform Haiti.[00:45:36] Malcolm Collins: They could, they could do it themselves, and then people can proactively move there. You know, I think... And, and then we do it as the United States. Some right-wing government gets in in, like, Germany or the UK, and they’re like, “Hey, that, that worked pretty well.[00:45:49] Like, let’s, let’s do that. Let’s let’s start, let’s start the, the boats moving,” right?[00:45:53] Simone Collins: The boats movement.[00:45:54] Malcolm Collins: The problem with what you’re suggesting is it costs money to maintain. And I don’t wanna pay to maintain these people. In fact, I think that this is something that we should also be doing with our prison system, is further just emptying them somewhere else somewhere far away.[00:46:09] They, they figure out how to live or don’t, it’s not my concern. Mm. That is, that is, I think, where we... And, and what’s interesting about this is I’m able to be, in terms of my prescription about this, it’s 1,000 times more aggressive than anything somebody like Nick Fuentes would be able to suggest.[00:46:33] And the very reason it’s able to be that is because everybody knows that in the groups he wants to accuse of things, there are many purely innocent families, purely totally patriotic American families, purely good-acting families. Yeah. And so he has to mitigate what he says needs to be done, whereas I don’t need to mitigate that, and our entire side doesn’t need to mitigate that.[00:46:58] And we need to remember this is why it is so important to police any individuals in our community that tries to maximally assign blame. But yeah, that, that for me is, is the long-term political goal. We need an America that is full of Americans, and being an American isn’t something that’s gated by ethnicity or religion or your background or your gender, but it is something that’s gated by your ideals by what you say publicly and fight for politically, and your behavior towards other American citizens And when you take that set of positions, I think you can a- achieve...[00:47:47] Like this, this is where I’m just sort of like I’m just done with it. I’m done with it, I’m done with it, I’m done with it, I’m done with it. But in being done with it, I want a prescriptive set of actions that [00:48:00] can be carried out in a way that, a- and, and advocated for in a way that doesn’t immediately get you thrown a, like just your entire movement scuttled because somebody’s like, “Well, I have a friend who’s like that, and they’re a perfectly great American.”[00:48:14] Right? When you, when you properly address who are the bad actors, you can be more aggressive in your implementation policy. Now, this dragnet would likely catch a lot of the people, even on the other side. Like our political opponents on the right, a lot of the Draper-type people, a lot of the, you know, whatever, KKK-type people, the Nazi-type people, all these people were really LARP being right wing, but now they’re much more aligned with like the Islamist left.[00:48:40] It’s gonna grab them too. People are like, “Do you have a problem with that?” I’m like, “I absolutely do not have a problem with that.” You know, and I’ll note here when I say racist, I don’t think it’s a problem to advocate for your own ethnic interests. That’s totally okay. You wanna create a community that’s like just your ethnicity, that’s totally okay.[00:48:57] That is different from advocating for the eradication of another group.[00:49:03] Simone Collins: Yeah, well, very. Very different.[00:49:06] Malcolm Collins: That, that is where it, it... Or, or the complete dehumanization of another group. Like, they need to be treated... Anyway, I, Thoughts, Simone[00:49:17] Simone Collins: This is, it’s just depressing. I, I understand, I mean, I could’ve given you this whole long argument about why the judge did that because, you know, they, they’re trying to carry out the law, and when they’re being, someone’s being tried for a very specific crime, that crime exists outside the context of anything else, and that’s just a tough part about the way that law works.[00:49:41] But I also, I mean- Law is supposed to make society more just and functional, and it is very annoying when it fails to capture and correct horrible injustices. So at this point, like, what’s the point? But I think it just contributes to overall this sense of hopelessness around law and justice and the legal system when I don’t see actual crimes being prosecuted, and then I see complete non-issues getting this insane level of attention, so.[00:50:17] Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean this the, the, the level of, like, just the sheer audacity of literally two instances of them raping a minor, not facing jail time, and then the person who insults them going to jail.[00:50:31] Simone Collins: Well, and again, that, that’s the law being kind of ridiculous. I think the dangerous thing about the law being this way...[00:50:38] Because again, like, i- if, if you don’t have a victim who’s willing to prosecute who’s now left the state, what are you gonna do, right? Th- there are, there are very clear and obvious reasons why this, this wasn’t properly dealt with or, I guess, satisfactorily dealt with, dealt with. It was properly dealt with according to the law.[00:50:57] But if this keeps happening, the problem, the problem with a justice system that doesn’t feel just is that people will just start ignoring it and turning increasingly to vigilante justice, which we’re already seeing. And- Which[00:51:10] Malcolm Collins: is- If people care about law, then- ... again, is something I absolutely support.[00:51:13] Yeah, well, yeah. Vigilante v- ‘Cause I don’t see much of any better And I wanna be, I wanna be clear to people, there is a big difference between vigilante justice and terrorism, okay? Yeah. If you are confused about the difference, terrorism is when you target innocent people to try to achieve your aims.[00:51:28] Vigilante justice is when you target the persecutors of the bad action when the legal system will not target them itself. That is the difference, and I am generally pretty pro... It, it, obviously there are caveats on when vigilante justice makes sense and when it doesn’t make sense. You need to be absolutely certain with no shadow of a doubt that the person actually is guilty, right?[00:51:53] Like, that they are... but in many of these instances where we have seen these bad actions take [00:52:00] place, it’s just obvious and apparent that the bad actors are bad actors, right? Like, they’re not even denying it, right? Like, they’re just like, “Yeah, of course I’m a bad actor. Of course I don’t care about you know, e- exterminate this group, do whatever.[00:52:13] You know, I d- I don’t care about any of that.” Of course. And I, and I, and I would go further. Like, if I had a political party Or w- I, I, I mean, I do. It’s the Republican Party, and if I was able to gain further, like if we move up and we gain, if like the nerd right gains more control, I think this sentiment here is something that a lot of us are beginning to feel.[00:52:32] Because at first it’s very much like, well, we can find a way to make things work. We can find a way to integrate these groups that are, are saying, “I do not plan to integrate. I don’t want to integrate. The biggest fear I have is my children integrating.” And I don’t think that people should be forced to integrate, by the way.[00:52:48] I think that that’s genocide, right? Like, that is cultural genocide. I just think- They shouldn’t be here if they don’t wanna be American, right? Because being American is a thing. It’s a set of values. It’s a contiguous cultural history.[00:53:03] Simone Collins: I mean, I d- counterpoint though people came to America because they wanted to be themselves.[00:53:08] So I, I guess at one point-[00:53:10] And I think that this actually types into the core of what makes an American American maximally above all else. It’s somebody who can disagree with other people’s ways of life, , but who doesn’t need to eradicate them for having different ways of life, whether that’s being gay or Jewish or Muslim or a conservative or a Trump supporter or a Democrat. , But the moment somebody moves into the territory of, “No, I actually will not allow other people to live the way that they want to live,” , that’s where I think it, it becomes more maximalist of just no. Mm-mm. You are not compatible with America, and if your way of thinking and if your people spread within America, that’s going to cause problems for everyone else.[00:53:53] Malcolm Collins: They wanted to be what became American.[00:53:56] Simone Collins: Yeah.[00:53:56] Malcolm Collins: They wanted to be a, a... No, there was many things that this founding group had as aspiration. It was very explicitly not Catholic. It was- ... I mean, that’s one of the reasons for the Revolution is that they started- Yeah ... letting Catholics vote in, in, in Canada, and they were afraid that they would start letting them vote in, in the United States.[00:54:10] So they had a, a number of ideas. So the idea of what it means to be an American has evolved over time. That is- Yeah ... absolutely true. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t still the beating heart of an idea of what it means to be an American a, an idea to build a city on a hill. I, I think that is a, a shining example of what humanity can be to everyone else on Earth.[00:54:35] But that shining example, if we go back to the way the Puritans acted, th- anybody who did not act with moral y- you know, restraint was expelled from the Puritan communities, was harassed by the Puritan communities. They didn’t... Generally speaking, if you go to the Puritan communities in the writing, they didn’t care what your skin color was.[00:54:54] They didn’t care what your background was. They cared that you lived a Puritan lifestyle.[00:54:59] Simone Collins: Hmm.[00:54:59] Malcolm Collins: And I think th- that can be extended. People are like, “Well Malcolm, why do you extend this to people of different religions?” Right? Like, “Why do you, why, why can’t you just be like, ‘We need to go back to being only a Protestant country?’”[00:55:10] And it’s because I have seen what Americanism means to people today. I have seen Catholics that exhibit that. I have seen Muslims that exempl- that. I’ve seen James that example that. I’ve seen Jews that examp- exemplify that. And, and it’s not all of them of, of course. But the ones that do exemplify that, and, and almost everyone listening to this has some friend that’s of a different religion in America that purely and totally is America first, has American a, a, i- ideals, and wants the best future for America and its citizens, and is a positive externality for our society.[00:55:45] Hmm. And a, and a lot of the world, you know, if you start doing this the purge or whatever you wanna call it, you start doing this they’re gonna freak out. But you look where our country’s gonna be 10, 20 years after you remove the bad actors that are obvious bad actors. [00:56:00] And I’m not even saying you need to reach that far, just the obvious bad actors.[00:56:03] And we wanna do this in a way that doesn’t separate children from their parents, so that means children out too. And the Supreme Court wants to push back with this. They’ll probably be like, “Oh, birthright. You know what? You can’t punish,” whatever. Either we change the law or[00:56:14] where’s your army? You know, g- get it handled. And, and I, and I also think to, to do this as a, as a military action is probably the, the right way to do it because it needs to be at scale and to, to, to actually be effective. And I think just the rest of us are all sick of this. The rest of us are just sick of this.[00:56:32] And w- I m- and I’m sick of it from both sides. By that what I mean is I’m as sick of it from the Nick Fuentes side as I am from this, this side, right? You know, these, these people who do not exhibit value systems that look anything like American value systems and that are incompatible with a, a large and thriving political party as well just get ‘em out.[00:56:54] Get rid of ‘em. Done.[00:56:55] Speaker 4: And note here, I think that these are positions that even leftists would hold if they could accept the basic truth that there are actually people out there who want to eradicate gay people, who want to actually eradicate all the Jews, who want to actually eradicate all the Muslims. They just pretend that these people don’t exist, or these people don’t exist within migrant populations, or that these people are always convertible, when the reality is that it’s the people, for example, who want to kill all the gays the most in the immigrant population that are having the most kids.[00:57:26] It’s the ones who adopted their values, the, you know, some people call them Western values, I don’t think-- it’s American values. American values around something like gayness, which it might be, “Well, my religion disapproves of it. We don’t need to build a legal system to eradicate them, , or hang them from cranes.”[00:57:44] , Those are the people who are having far fewer kids it’s just, it’s just very patent in the data[00:57:49] I was a rabid advocate for immigration historically. I started advocating against it when I saw that the groups that were immigrating in this time were not at all, in terms of the high fertility members of those groups, , integrating with the societies that they were immigrating into.[00:58:07] And the ones that were the highest fertility were the ones that were openly stating that they wanted to eradicate other groups. What that means is eventually this issue’s gonna come to the head anyway, because within America, the people who think like me, within Germany, the people who think like me on the other side of this, on the more conservative side of this, , they’re also the ones having the most kids.[00:58:26] , And the ones who are super woke and progressive and everything like that, and think, “Oh, yes, one day we’ll all get along,” they’re not having any kids. So this issue is eventually gonna come to a head. I think the real question is, what’s the most peaceful way to do it? And that’s what I would advocate for.[00:58:40] I think the most peaceful way to, to handle this is an ex-immigration system that works alongside incentives for immigrating out of the country if you hold un-American values and if you do not want to be an American. , And I think that this system should work also on, you know, the leftists who are always like, “Oh, I wanna leave,” like every election cycle because their side didn’t win.[00:59:01] You don’t see right-leaning people doing this. ,, I think, send them out too,[00:59:04] , all you need to do is pull the lever. We can be a country of only the people who want to build a great America[00:59:11] Simone Collins: Well, I’m really okay with countries in general being, say, like Disneyland. They have their rules. There are park rules. You pay to get into the park. If you don’t wanna follow park rules, then you’re out. It’s really simple. You’re also not allowed to have a baby in the park.[00:59:27] Malcolm Collins: In Disneyland?[00:59:29] Simone Collins: Yeah.[00:59:30] Malcolm Collins: That’s-[00:59:30] ...[00:59:30] Malcolm Collins: Comical[00:59:30] Simone Collins: to them. So there’s this, this I think, what, Danny Gonzalez did a whole thing about it. The, the, the rumor that if you had a baby- Oh,[00:59:36] Malcolm Collins: yeah, oh, you, you mean have, having, like, giving birth to a baby in the park.[00:59:40] Simone Collins: Giving birth, yeah. Giving birth in the park. If you had a baby in Disneyland, that you would g- get free entry for the baby for life, which is not true and was never true, but like- ‘Cause if[00:59:51] Malcolm Collins: people kept trying to have babies in the park.[00:59:54] Simone Collins: But no, but for, for, from a country standpoint, like, it just seems so reasonable to me that if you are there [01:00:00] on, like, a probationary status, you have a visa, you have a green card, and you break a law, you fail to file your taxes, or even you become a net tax drain to the country You may see yourself out.[01:00:15] You’ve not followed the rules. We only want people to follow the rules here. How is that so unreasonable? And I think that’s how it is. Like in Japan, my understanding is that’s pretty much how it is. You break a law, you’re out, and it’s a very safe country to be in, so I wouldn’t mind that.[01:00:34] Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, I mean, I, I think the real challenge that we have, and this has been the problem with the way that this has been enforced in the United States historically, is you get these, these breaking, these heartbreaking images of people being separated from their children, right?[01:00:48] Mm-hmm. Or children being separated from their parents. And this is because th- this is a di- th- this tragedy is a direct result of what the Supreme Court just upheld which is, you know, you have a kid in the country, you get deported, the kid stays. That makes no sense. That is super cruel. We should be deporting families together, right?[01:01:09] It’s, it’s clearly what’s in the best interest of the child- Yeah ... and it’s what’s in the long-term best interest of our country. The other thing that I would implement, I would say that we should make a, a, a big policy point of, reopen asylums. The, this country should have asylums. It’s where any homeless drug addict should be.[01:01:26] It’s where most of the homeless population should be. It would be- I guess it[01:01:29] Simone Collins: would be cost-effective, especially if they were in really inexpensive areas, because now offering those services to people in Manhattan, in Los Angeles, in San Francisco is so prohibitively expensive. Yeah.[01:01:43] Malcolm Collins: No, you, you don’t put them in the city.[01:01:44] You put it somewhere rural, right? Like, you, you, you take these people and you put them in an environment where they can be monitored and, and, and treated with, Kennedy, when he shut down the asylums, he said he was gonna build something else, and he didn’t. And now all the asylums just rotted, and all of these people are homeless.[01:01:58] It’s like 70% of the homeless population or something has, like, a mental health issue, right? Yeah. Like, just, just reopen asylums and be maximally aggressive in terms of how you implement asylum policy. And we could have a city on a hill. That’s, that’s my new political position after seeing this.[01:02:17] I’m, Is[01:02:18] Simone Collins: this different from before?[01:02:19] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, because before and this is something I didn’t really realize until the leaflet stream when I really started thinking through it. But the key to solving all of this from a political perspective is to make sure that in the and people can say like, “Well, their kids are innocent.”[01:02:37] I really think people should be judged at the level of the family because that’s the way they operate in society. Like, kids are more proportionally to do whatever their parents do. And- Yeah, absolutely ... kids are 100% the responsibility of the parents. We let parents do all sorts of things to kids like circumcision or whatever, right?[01:02:52] The, y- you know, you, you wouldn’t let, the, like, this, these are really big decisions. I, I, I believe a, a child, family can raise a child however they want. They can do whatever they want with the child. As people know, I’m, I’m very hard on, like, maximum cultural sovereignty in terms of how people parent.[01:03:06] Educate them however they want, teach them whatever they want to believe. But the children also are that family’s and travel with the family when the family is- Yeah ... deported or anything like that.[01:03:15] Simone Collins: Don’t separate kids from their families, for real.[01:03:18] Malcolm Collins: But, but same with husband and wife. Like, they’re responsible for each other, right?[01:03:22] Like, one gets deported, the other gets deported. That’s, that’s just the way it works because I think that would certainly make marriage a lot more serious on people if, if they knew that they actually had to make sure that their spouse... And whenever, I’m, I’mma be honest, pretty much whenever one spouse is doing something that’s illegal, the other spouse is aware of it and facilitating it in some way.[01:03:43] It is, it is pretty rare-[01:03:44] Simone Collins: No, no, no, no. Definitely not always.[01:03:47] Malcolm Collins: Most of the time. And if not always, then you are still responsible for your spouse. I think re-engendering the role of what a marriage is really about, improving your partner, I think that’s really [01:04:00] important. So, I, I think the, the thing that really changed for me is on the leaflet stream I had this realization which was, okay- The problem that we keep facing when we see these bad actors is there is the impulse to label the entire community bad actors.[01:04:17] Mm. It’s like, oh, we see X type of person doing X type of bad thing, so the whole community’s a bad guy. And we need to work to remove this community from our country, or we need to work to punish this community, or we need to round the wagon and act discriminatorily in the same way that they’re acting discriminatorily.[01:04:41] And that’s all really, really stupid impulses because it intrinsically lowers your support base. But if you narrow to the actual bad acting cultural groups, right, you can maximalize the aspired punishment. Or not punishment, but just remedy, which might just be expulsion that is what I would like to see.[01:05:09] Because I think that we haven’t been able to talk about the extent... I mean, even if you look at what ICE is doing now, it is very limited compared to what needs to be done. And I think everybody realizes that at this point. So, the people are like, “So you want an ICE that targets, like, naturalized citizens?”[01:05:22] It’s like, because what we call a naturalized citizen is not always a naturalized citizen. I want a country that doesn’t feel like this anymore,[01:05:30] For an example of what I mean by this, look at the German Muslim who recently ran through the Pride Parade. The reason they didn’t do anything about him, even though they knew he wanted to be a terrorist, even though they knew he wanted to join ISIS, was because he was a, quote-unquote, “naturalized citizen.”[01:05:43] But he obviously did not share German values. He wanted to eradicate people who didn’t think like him. That is not German values. That is not American values. We need to accept that there are people who are, quote-unquote, “legally naturalized citizens” who do not share our values, who want to have sex with children, who want to run cars through Pride Parades, and those people, we need to stop protecting them.[01:06:08] Like, I know that this sounds like a radical thing, but I really don’t think it’s that radical. Can we just not have it be okay to have these sorts of opinions and attempt to metastasize them within our countries? And when I say like this, I mean the crime-ridden ghettos that so many people, generally minorities in our country, have to live in and have to deal with because the police aren’t allowed to do what needs to be done to actually permanently fix the problem. We have the situation in New York where you have something like, , I think it was a crazy number.[01:06:45] It was like ninety percent of the crimes were created, or no, I think it was something like forty-five percent of the crimes are committed by only three hundred and fifty people, right? Just doing it over and over and over and over again. Why can’t we just deport them? Why can’t we just be done with that?[01:06:58] This is, this is not a problem we need to have. It’s a problem we can fix, and then the people who this very small group of individuals is repeatedly victimizing doesn’t need to deal with being victimized anymore. And the people who are victimized are generally ethnic and cultural minorities and religious minorities themselves[01:07:19] Speaker 8: And I don’t even go so far as to say every country on earth needs to think it’s not okay to kill gay people. You know what? If you wanna have a country where they murder, whatever, you live by your value system. I just don’t understand why we need to have these people who believe this in our countries when we know they believe this[01:07:36] Malcolm Collins: and I w- I want it... It’s possible. It’s possible to live in an America like that, and there’s a lot of us that want it.[01:07:44] But it requires keeping our tent big and keeping our, w- w- I guess what you would say is a, a prescriptive aggression targeted[01:07:53] Simone Collins: Sorry, Octavian is sneaking around. I agree with you. This is... It’s just depressing because none, [01:08:00] none of that is gonna happen. You know that, right? It’s[01:08:02] Malcolm Collins: just not- I actually, I, I disagree very strongly politically, things are changing right now in the United States. The left is becoming the party of terrorism, as we talked about in a recent video.[01:08:11] You know, Hasan Piker is keeping Destiny from speaking at an event, and telling the DNC what to do and what not to do. We have candidates running for Congress right now as Dems dropping LGBTQ stuff from their agenda because they didn’t want to offend their Muslim constituency.[01:08:26] Simone Collins: All stuff that’s happening with Democrats.[01:08:27] What, h- are you just saying that they’re crashing out so hard that they’re not gonna be able to get any votes?[01:08:32] Malcolm Collins: No. What I’m pointing out here is the Democrat party, like, if you look at what I’m talking about doing right here-[01:08:40] Simone Collins: Yeah ...[01:08:40] Malcolm Collins: it is ideologically what MAGA wanted. Yes. It’s what they wanted Trump to do.[01:08:47] It’s just that Trump frankly, logistically, as sort of our first attempt to implement this, didn’t really understand the logistical difficulty of implementing it. It was difficult for him because the movement was still forming, it was still crystallizing. But I don’t think that my ideas or ideals here go against and, and note here, people are like, “Oh, this is really bad for families,” or whatever.[01:09:13] The rule that I came up with on Leaflet Stream that I think is a very fair rule is you create an out for family members that turn in other family members. So if I, as a family, turn in one of my family members who’s doing something illegal I would get protected from deportation. The, to, to the point being, like, if your community is policing itself, that’s good.[01:09:34] If your community is not policing itself, then everybody gets deported. Mm-hmm. But the reason I’m, I’m saying this is, is you’re like, “This seems like something that would never happen,” but actually, a large portion of the American political base wants something exactly like this. And it’s the base that has won elections.[01:09:51] And our cultural faction is in the White House, right? Like, our cultural faction can win the White House more maximally in the future through electing ... I, I, I, it’s, it’s not that Trump isn’t competent or anything like that, it’s just that his particular political moment hadn’t had a lot of people. Like, more and more people are waking up to how much further we need to go than whatever ICE is.[01:10:16] Mm. And as more and more people wake up to that I think d- just that so many people feel so comfortable fighting for the eradication of genders, of ethnic groups, of stuff like that, and most of them are on the left, the vast majority are on the left. Like, why, why do we live in a country where that’s happening?[01:10:32] It shouldn’t be happening, okay? The, the, you, you have people in the, like the Zohran Mamdani, like, administration that have advocated for the eradication of white people, right?[01:10:42] Speaker 9: For an example of one of these tweets, , “We, all of society, must break the stranglehold of whiteness wherever it may be.”[01:10:49] Or, “ The invisible hand of the market my ass. The hand is white[01:10:54] You get the idea. This is the type of thing that we should not allow within this country[01:10:58] Whether it’s projected to white people, to black people, to Muslims, to gays, whatever group you are projecting this to, this should not be a normalized thing within the American system. , This is clearly, uh, vile, and we have created a world in, , Europe and in the United States where this is normalized against some groups and completely barred against other groups[01:11:24] Malcolm Collins: Like, this shouldn’t ... These people, not just should they not be in a governing position, they shouldn’t be in the country at all Okay?[01:11:30] And I think the, there is actually a political will for this, and if we keep growing, if our wider faction keeps growing, we can implement this political will. And I think a, sort of a, a, a truly color conscious but otherwise blind, and ethno-conscious, and religio-conscious. What I mean by this is this movement isn’t about not understanding your identity as an [01:12:00] individual.[01:12:00] As a, like within the wider coalition when I meet, like for example, the Black families that are, that are in this wider coalition they often are culturally while they’re culturally fully American, they, what being fully American is for them often is different than what being fully American is for say, a white family, right?[01:12:22] Like the foods they eat, their pastime activities, the things that they do will be slightly different, but still all holistically American. The, and, and their aspiration is still holistically American. I mean, it’s the same for like in Britain, okay? There is a form of being a British Indian which is fully British.[01:12:42] Okay? There is a form of being a, a British Sikh which is fully British, but there are Indians in Britain who are not that as well. So this doesn’t mean that you need to completely conform to every cultural norm of that country. It means you need to aspire to be the, your ethnic, your religious version of the truly British Indian.[01:13:06] And how, how you gate, people can say, “Well, how do you gate this? It’s a slippery slope.” And it’s like, you know what? I’m okay with that gating being very loose, because even when that gating is very loose, there are people who are clearly outside of it.[01:13:19] Simone Collins: Hmm.[01:13:20] Well, you have more confidence in this happening than I do. It would be great, but[01:13:24] Malcolm Collins: What do you think would prevent it from happening at this point? The w- y- either the Democrats win and we become like a terrorist state, which is like great, okay, that’s terrible, or, or what, what else? You think that we don’t have enough power[01:13:38] Simone Collins: with the Republican Party?[01:13:39] It’s not just enough for, let’s say the Democrats don’t win and I, I don’t have that much confidence that they Wouldn’t win at this point, just considering how freaked out people are about AI, and I, I think they think socialism will be the solution, and the Democratic Party is that solution. So even if they don’t agree with it or they think it’s crazy, they’re also just thinking about their own survival and economic wellbeing, and they’re just trying to get their bag.[01:14:06] And so that’s that. I... You can’t... Y- look, look at how little we’ve been able to do with ICE even though we came in very strong with this administration. I, I mean, we- It’s just extremely difficult ...[01:14:20] Malcolm Collins: we’ve done a lot with ICE. It hasn’t been enough, but it was because we hadn’t attempted something like this[01:14:27] Simone Collins: before.[01:14:27] Right, but even if you have the political majority, getting these things executed- No, what you’re missing is- ... changing these broad policies, like from a legislative standpoint, what would have to happen for this kind of policy to- The ICE[01:14:37] Malcolm Collins: attempt, Simone, was our very first attempt at doing this. It was something that is a, a Democrat-[01:14:43] Simone Collins: Well, I don’t know.[01:14:44] Obama didn’t hear deport more people than Trump did?[01:14:47] Malcolm Collins: I- well, in terms of the way that ICE was going about this, okay, in this administration, this was the first time somebody had attempted something like this at scale. This is an incredibly logistically complicated thing to do. Yes. It’s an incredibly legally complicated thing to do.[01:15:03] To be like, “Oh, it didn’t work the first time, therefore it will never work,” I think is a really... It’s, it’s not pessimistic, it’s stupid.[01:15:10] Simone Collins: Like- And I’m not even talking about logistical limitations of it. I agree that those can be overcome. But I-[01:15:15] Malcolm Collins: You’re talking about the legal limitations- Yes ... and what I’m saying is, and I’ve said this before, is neither si- the Democrats at this point in American politics do not believe in fair elections.[01:15:26] They believe in winning, okay? You let a group like that get into power, that’s going to be really, really bad going forwards. And as a result of that mindset, I think increasingly, and we’re going to see this happen more and more on the right, we’ll be taking the same mindset. And this means when the Senate or when the Supreme Court says, “Oh, this isn’t the way you do things.[01:15:50] Oh, I’m gonna do X. I’m gonna do Y,” you maximally l- l- use the powers of the presidential branch, which has become increasingly [01:16:00] powerful over time, to prevent that. You just say, “No, you.” And that has been done before in American history. And if you have enough political will, what really matters is you have enough political will among the military and police forces to carry this out.[01:16:14] You don’t need to play by all the normal procedures.[01:16:17] Simone Collins: Do you- Well, yeah. What I do appreciate about this is w- something that has dismayed many people, regardless of political affiliation, is that laws aren’t enforced, right? That you, you... Someone can break a law and hurt you, and you can tell the authorities about it, and nothing is ultimately done.[01:16:32] Malcolm Collins: So,[01:16:33] Simone Collins: th- the- And similarly You can use that against the people who are, you know, making it impossible for you to enact meaningful change by being like, “All right, well, you come in force then,” because they[01:16:44] Malcolm Collins: can- No, no, the, the point I’m making here is, is, is who is often thought of as the best or one of the best, maybe second best American president?[01:16:51] It’s Abraham Lincoln. Did Abraham Lincoln listen to his Supreme Court at all? No. Mm-hmm. Fair point. Did he follow procedure at all? No. He just did whatever the he wanted to do, right?[01:17:02] And I think a lot of people, when we look back at a figure like Abraham Lincoln, and we say he was one of the best American presidents ever, and pretty much everyone agrees on that, right?[01:17:11] When we look at that sort of behavior as being what we consider the best of the best in American history, then what we can see is clearly the American historical and cultural palette is open to this sort of action Especially when, and you can say, “Well, we’re not quite at civil war yet,” and it’s like, I don’t know.[01:17:34] I mean, I’m looking at the leftists right now. I think we’re pretty effing close to civil war. In terms of, when I say civil war, I don’t mean, like, armed people in the streets. I mean one side or the other side just trying to claim permanent power. And being aware of how bad that’s gonna be if it’s a leftist who achieves that, I think is, and I think it’s one of the things that, that we on the right need to get a lot more comfortable with, is eventually somebody’s gonna grab power. Somebody’s gonna say, “I don’t believe the election results,” when they lose, and they’re going to have enough put in place for, and, and be able to sew enough doubt about the electoral process that they’re not gonna have to leave.[01:18:14] Okay? Because right now we are already seeing, like we have seen election fraud very obviously in some instances on both sides. So all you need to do is, is, is have enough proof of election fraud to say, “I don’t need to leave office.” And then you’ve, you’ve, you’ve granted power. That’s a civil war.[01:18:32] That’s the end of it, right? And so, building comfort with that and, and what that means. I, I guess what I’m talking about here is I’m not saying that we do this within the existing political climate that America has right now. I’m suggesting that we do this within the political climate that America seems to be evolving into.[01:18:48] Simone Collins: Hmm.[01:18:49] It’s dark. But we’re in interesting times, so who knows, right?[01:18:53] Malcolm Collins: Yeah.[01:18:53] Simone Collins: All right. Love you, Simone.[01:18:55] Malcolm Collins: I love you too. And in the comments, you guys can, can chime in, say if I’m being overly aggressive in my prescriptions around this. But I, I think that it’s, it’s sort of where... It’s, it’s a position that I don’t think anybody wanted to come to.[01:19:08] Everybody was like, “We can make this work. We can make this work. We can make this work.” And then we saw what was happening. We found out that the Southern Poverty Law Center was the major funder of the KKK and the Nazi Party in the United States. We found out, we found out how much of the culture war was faked, how bad and institutionalized racism in this country is, and anti-American sentiment in this country is, and that and we tried the nice way of handling this, which was ice.[01:19:37] Now, now we need super ice.[01:19:39] Simone Collins: Super ice. Oh, lordy.[01:19:42] Malcolm Collins: Nitro, as you call it.[01:19:44] Simone Collins: Ice nitro.[01:19:46] Malcolm Collins: Love you, Simone.[01:19:47] Simone Collins: I love you too.[01:19:48] PragNationalist posted research that found that people who restrict their torsos take less risky decisions, at least in a research, like, I, I haven’t read the, the, the study, [01:20:00] but probably- Restrict their[01:20:01] Malcolm Collins: torsos? Like a corset?[01:20:02] Simone Collins: Like a corset or like a girdle.[01:20:04] Probably they were wearing girdles or, like, medical bonding materials. And, Yeah, it occurred to me. I haven’t breathed fire since started wearing stays. Haven’t jumped out of a plane or off a cliff. So.[01:20:18] You breathed fire before?[01:20:20] Yeah, actually. Not good for you. These are all things you haven’t[01:20:23] Malcolm Collins: done since you met me, and I-[01:20:25] Simone Collins: Because the the liquid that you use to breathe fire is a little carcinogenic, so it’s, like, really not recommended.[01:20:32] But it’s super fun. It’s really fun. I, I have picture evidence. Oh. And now I know. Now I... You know, if, if you need a fire breather, Malcolm, I can step in.[01:20:49] Malcolm Collins: Okay. Okay, okay.[01:20:50] Simone Collins: I can...[01:20:54] Oh, yeah.[01:20:55] Malcolm Collins: Getting the segment down for a bit today, but I, y- I added, and it was working last I tested, is that now you can have companions call you on your cellphone.[01:21:05] Simone Collins: Yandere girlfriend. I mean, the next- Oh, my gosh ...[01:21:07] Malcolm Collins: feature I’m thinking of adding is, is texting.[01:21:10] Simone Collins: Sweet. Oh, yeah, that’ll be great.[01:21:11] Malcolm Collins: Getting it so that...[01:21:12] ‘Cause the, the agents could already do this, but-[01:21:14] Simone Collins: Yeah, someone else who can send me unhinged texts. Great. Oh, I’m so glad I cut your hair. Your hair’s so much better. Oh, yay. You look so hot. Not that you don’t always look hot, but you look proper hot when you have your hair properly cut.[01:21:33] Yeah.[01:21:34] Speaker 11: It’s an apple? I don’t know about that. Come on. It’s maybe some kind of fruit. Come on, Indie. Let’s go, the storm’s coming. The storm’s coming. The storm’s coming. Oh, ducks. Duck, duck. Okay. Oh, Stacy, that’s a great method. I love that. Yeah, there’s more up there. I don’t know. Go have- You, you have a camera. Yeah, I’m recording Indie.[01:22:03] Speaker 10: I’m coming. Aww. Yes, she carries her... What is that, Indie? Is it an apple? It’s apple. It’s your apple.[01:22:15] Speaker 11: All right. It’s funny, ducky. That’s right This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe