Today we talk to Ryan Rumsey, CEO and founder of Second Wave Dive, where he mentors design executives and develops boutique programs to increase the maturity of design organizations. Ryan is a design leader, speaker, writer and entrepreneur. In this conversation, we uncover the struggle that led him to get closer to the different business units to effectively include design decision trade-offs. His approach to organizational maturity is both systematic and pragmatic. We go into detail as to what this means in practice, and much more. Find Ryan in the following places:<ul>
<li>Personal site: <a href="https://www.ryanrumsey.com">https://www.ryanrumsey.com</a>
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<li>Business site: <a href="https://secondwavedive.com">https://secondwavedive.com</a>
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<li>Designers, Meet Your Business Program: <a href="https://www.secondwavedive.com/design-meets-business">https://www.secondwavedive.com/design-meets-business</a>
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</ul>Connect with UX Backstage:<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.uxbackstage.com/">https://www.uxbackstage.com/</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/uxbackstage">https://twitter.com/uxbackstage</a>
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<li>Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/ux-backstage">https://medium.com/ux-backstage</a>
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Jeff Gothelf from Lean UX - Design for behavior change

The UX Backstage podcast focuses on learning the practices of designers in positions to influence the strategy of products and services. Its goal is to identify and highlight patterns that can be adopted by startups and small businesses.