“This is real joy. I’m trying to convince you that there’s something on the other side of shame.” Mary and Wyatt sit down for a discussion of the perniciousness of fatphobia and diet culture and what we can do to push back. She talks about what meaningful allyship looks like and what you can do to support fat people in your life. Also on the agenda: a funeral for Yahoo! Answers, Mary’s love of ice skating, an excerpt from Sitting Pretty by Rebekah Taussig, and a poem by Natalie Díaz.