Spiritual Sequel
Spiritual Sequel
Jansen Brothers
IT Chapter 2 (Aka A Nightmare on Elm Street 8)
2 hour 46 minutes Posted Sep 10, 2019 at 6:07 pm.
Sparknotes Transcript:
SURVEYING THE LANDSCAPE [backstory]: Splitting books into two movies, Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part 1 is a chess movie, A short book The Hobbit becomes a trilogy, IT naturally has two films: Child & Adult, IT novel known for its exceptional length, Shogun TV reboot at FX, spending so much of your life reading a book that you have to deny if its actually bad, Transformers movies should be 90 minutes long max, bullies carving a boys stomach [too much], physical manifestation of fear using a clown proxy biting off children's arms [give me more!], Derry 2016 identical to Derry 1986
Chapter two works as a standalone, how all of the Losers are audience surrogates due to memory loss, reading the book first, being too faithful to the text, the Old Spice guy with a dramatic turn, Tim Curry Pennywise was a big deal, comparing Pennywise vs The Joker, memory from childhood shifting opinions of a performance, grappling with loyalty to Tim Curry while watching Chapter 1, not so in this Chapter, similar with Jack Nicholson when watching The Dark Knight, Clowns are like Sharks, IT was in development hell for years, Bill Skarsgard shot a deleted scene as a Proto-pennywise preying on Native Americans
A thriller that's too thrilling, craziest part of the novel, Why we see so much throw up in this film, the only way to beat a bully is to bully a bully, repetitive scenes one after another, why we were more engaged in Chapter 2, what genre is this film, most horror is fun not scary, Is Event Horizon a spiritual sequel to IT? Pennywise goes to space!, trying to make sense of IT's powers
comparing pennywise's incompetence to The Joker always being a step ahead, The Joker messing up his own plan so he can keep playing with Batman, we as the audience want to see them keeping battling forever so we are aligned with the villain, Can you be an iconic villain if you are in most of the film |Hannibal, The Joker, Beetlejuice|, problems with Pirates 3, Jack Sparrow can't be the hero, he's the Vince Vaughn, Pennywise as the main character a la Dr. Evil
1990 version silly spider ending like ending of The Dark Knight with Two Face, Epilogues are pointless, CGI was laughable on Aaron Eckert, belonged in The Mummy, The Dark Knight Rises is the Hateful Eight of the Nolan Batmans, building up goodwill with the fans, what if Jimmie Johnson directed Hateful Eight, Man Law, mocking Stephen King endings, an author's stream of consciousness, orgies, sex as the divider between childhood & adulthood, balloon under the hospital bed scare, Ransone takes a blade to the face with no flinch whatsoever
Cary Fukanaga's IT script, Legend of Zorro with Robert Rodriguez, cut RR out over budget constraints, could have been a Desperado Spiritual Prequel, ended up going over budget anyway, watching other directors direct like Fincher on Mindhunter, Casey Affleck vs Ben Affleck, best Andrew Domenik shot in Jesse James, throwing brothers under the bus to prove we are impartial, can't be surrounded by Yes Men, Team Forrest vs Team Carter, being on Team Jacob for Twilight is like being on the Washington Generals
IT has a love triangle, Ben is a reformed fat guy, hard to root for reformed fat guy since McAvoy & Chastain have such a history together, Forrest reveals Gone Girl as the worst movie he has seen in his life, Ben Affleck cast to play himself but fails, Gillian Flynn creating awful women characters, talking what we can and can't write, confirming stereotypes vs wanting to be an individual, when studio execs said black movies don't travel abroad but didn't count Denzel & Will Smith movies
Tying our discussion on sex & race back to IT, Xavier Dolan, Jac Shauffeur vs Jamie Foxx, people don't like remakes of iconic characters, enjoying Thomas Crown Affair remake over original, can't remake Red Dawn because it was made for that time not now, people love to watch clowns in movies, not hire clowns in real life, McDonald's drive thru story, wanting a Big Mac well done
DRILLING INTO THE ASTEROID [Plot Breakdown]: Animal crackers on Liv Tyler's belly, using animal crackers for foreplay, animal crackers are cookies!! Not crackers!!!, Bird of Prey teaser of the teaser, Pennywise in the DCEU, Justice League vs IT, legal subliminal messaging, filming an exclusive fake-out Harley Quinn scene, dumping sequels in January & February, Spring of '97 Face//Off had a scene just for marketing, Do these places not recover in the 27years between IT appearances, does he only have a full calendar year to feed on fear?
all the losers from a small town in Maine are leaders of industry in very competitive fields, Derry Maine would be studied for research into success, should be thanking Pennywise, Stephen King offered to write A Nightmare on Elm Street, King wanted to create a troll that lived within the sewer system, Pennywise using Freddy Krueger, in the novel he uses Mummy, Frankenstein, Dracula, Wolfman
McAvoy's backstory was in a different movie, five catch up scenes are worst part of film, hard to pull off a movie within a movie, Chinese restaurant scene, loving fortune cookies, David Goyer's Ghost Rider script, believing in fate & destiny, The Matrix 20th Anniversary, don't need fortune cookie monsters, great Child murder jump scare, ballon popping jump scare, Mike is very presentable for an obsessive guy living in the attic of a library...because he uses Swagger Old Spice body wash, artifact searching scenes are the fun & games, Skarsgard applying makeup in an all time shot, Paul Bunyan as the ultimate gay icon, no more visible throw up in my movies...just need the noise
Comedic music choice with Eddie against the Leper, smoking in school, evil Beverly, smoking is only cool in school, Mike doesn't get a flashback for his artifact, creepiest scene in the film: the De-aging clubhouse, have we ever seen de-aged Child actors, laughing at the film during McAvoy grabbing that kid & shouting at him to leave this town, zero people in Derry outside of the Carnival, McAvoy riding on his old bike is the funniest unintentional moment, interacting with younger self, giant spider Pennywise, making Pennywise smaller through lack of fear, Trump as Pennywise, Forrest sleeps during the epilogue, epilogue's in movies suck in general
CASTING CALL: McAvoy & Chastain know how to kiss on camera, yet recast McAvoy, great casting for children to adults looking alike, Sophie Lillias to Amy Adams to Jessica Chastain, Where's Adam Brody?, Wanting the Adam Brody-essance, all commercial actors casting
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Sparknotes Transcript:(1:18) SURVEYING THE LANDSCAPE [backstory]: Splitting books into two movies, Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part 1 is a chess movie, A short book The Hobbit becomes a trilogy, IT naturally has two films: Child & Adult, IT novel known for its exceptional length, Shogun TV reboot at FX, spending so much of your life reading a book that you have to deny if its actually bad, Transformers movies should be 90 minutes long max, bullies carving a boys stomach [too much], physical manifestation of fear using a clown proxy biting off children's arms [give me more!], Derry 2016 identical to Derry 1986(7:17) Chapter two works as a standalone, how all of the Losers are audience surrogates due to memory loss, reading the book first, being too faithful to the text, the Old Spice guy with a dramatic turn, Tim Curry Pennywise was a big deal, comparing Pennywise vs The Joker, memory from childhood shifting opinions of a performance, grappling with loyalty to Tim Curry while watching Chapter 1, not so in this Chapter, similar with Jack Nicholson when watching The Dark Knight, Clowns are like Sharks, IT was in development hell for years, Bill Skarsgard shot a deleted scene as a Proto-pennywise preying on Native Americans(18:24) A thriller that's too thrilling, craziest part of the novel, Why we see so much throw up in this film, the only way to beat a bully is to bully a bully, repetitive scenes one after another, why we were more engaged in Chapter 2, what genre is this film, most horror is fun not scary, Is Event Horizon a spiritual sequel to IT? Pennywise goes to space!, trying to make sense of IT's powers(26:52) comparing pennywise's incompetence to The Joker always being a step ahead, The Joker messing up his own plan so he can keep playing with Batman, we as the audience want to see them keeping battling forever so we are aligned with the villain, Can you be an iconic villain if you are in most of the film |Hannibal, The Joker, Beetlejuice|, problems with Pirates 3, Jack Sparrow can't be the hero, he's the Vince Vaughn, Pennywise as the main character a la Dr. Evil(32:28) 1990 version silly spider ending like ending of The Dark Knight with Two Face, Epilogues are pointless, CGI was laughable on Aaron Eckert, belonged in The Mummy, The Dark Knight Rises is the Hateful Eight of the Nolan Batmans, building up goodwill with the fans, what if Jimmie Johnson directed Hateful Eight, Man Law, mocking Stephen King endings, an author's stream of consciousness, orgies, sex as the divider between childhood & adulthood, balloon under the hospital bed scare, Ransone takes a blade to the face with no flinch whatsoever(44:21) Cary Fukanaga's IT script, Legend of Zorro with Robert Rodriguez, cut RR out over budget constraints, could have been a Desperado Spiritual Prequel, ended up going over budget anyway, watching other directors direct like Fincher on Mindhunter, Casey Affleck vs Ben Affleck, best Andrew Domenik shot in Jesse James, throwing brothers under the bus to prove we are impartial, can't be surrounded by Yes Men, Team Forrest vs Team Carter, being on Team Jacob for Twilight is like being on the Washington Generals(52:33) IT has a love triangle, Ben is a reformed fat guy, hard to root for reformed fat guy since McAvoy & Chastain have such a history together, Forrest reveals Gone Girl as the worst movie he has seen in his life, Ben Affleck cast to play himself but fails, Gillian Flynn creating awful women characters, talking what we can and can't write, confirming stereotypes vs wanting to be an individual, when studio execs said black movies don't travel abroad but didn't count Denzel & Will Smith movies(1:02:51) Tying our discussion on sex & race back to IT, Xavier Dolan, Jac Shauffeur vs Jamie Foxx, people don't like remakes of iconic characters, enjoying Thomas Crown Affair remake over original, can't remake Red Dawn because it was made for that time not now, people love to watch clowns in movies, not hire clowns in real life, McDonald's drive thru story, wanting a Big Mac well done(1:14:22) DRILLING INTO THE ASTEROID [Plot Breakdown]: Animal crackers on Liv Tyler's belly, using animal crackers for foreplay, animal crackers are cookies!! Not crackers!!!, Bird of Prey teaser of the teaser, Pennywise in the DCEU, Justice League vs IT, legal subliminal messaging, filming an exclusive fake-out Harley Quinn scene, dumping sequels in January & February, Spring of '97 Face//Off had a scene just for marketing, Do these places not recover in the 27years between IT appearances, does he only have a full calendar year to feed on fear?(1:27:54) all the losers from a small town in Maine are leaders of industry in very competitive fields, Derry Maine would be studied for research into success, should be thanking Pennywise, Stephen King offered to write A Nightmare on Elm Street, King wanted to create a troll that lived within the sewer system, Pennywise using Freddy Krueger, in the novel he uses Mummy, Frankenstein, Dracula, Wolfman(1:42:09) McAvoy's backstory was in a different movie, five catch up scenes are worst part of film, hard to pull off a movie within a movie, Chinese restaurant scene, loving fortune cookies, David Goyer's Ghost Rider script, believing in fate & destiny, The Matrix 20th Anniversary, don't need fortune cookie monsters, great Child murder jump scare, ballon popping jump scare, Mike is very presentable for an obsessive guy living in the attic of a library...because he uses Swagger Old Spice body wash, artifact searching scenes are the fun & games, Skarsgard applying makeup in an all time shot, Paul Bunyan as the ultimate gay icon, no more visible throw up in my movies...just need the noise(2:05:13) Comedic music choice with Eddie against the Leper, smoking in school, evil Beverly, smoking is only cool in school, Mike doesn't get a flashback for his artifact, creepiest scene in the film: the De-aging clubhouse, have we ever seen de-aged Child actors, laughing at the film during McAvoy grabbing that kid & shouting at him to leave this town, zero people in Derry outside of the Carnival, McAvoy riding on his old bike is the funniest unintentional moment, interacting with younger self, giant spider Pennywise, making Pennywise smaller through lack of fear, Trump as Pennywise, Forrest sleeps during the epilogue, epilogue's in movies suck in general(2:27:57) CASTING CALL: McAvoy & Chastain know how to kiss on camera, yet recast McAvoy, great casting for children to adults looking alike, Sophie Lillias to Amy Adams to Jessica Chastain, Where's Adam Brody?, Wanting the Adam Brody-essance, all commercial actors casting(2:39:50) DEVELOPMENT HEAVEN: spinoff in 2016 with 80s Horror icons, prequel from Fukanaga, or a Pennywise as the main character, or IT vs IT!!! Tim Curry IT vs Bill Skarsgard IT vs Will Poulter IT [original Pennywise actor before Fukanaga left] vs Alexander Skargard IT, Westworld has two third brothers [Hemsworth & Skarsgard, created by a third brother]Freddy vs Pennywise [who can scare more people!!!]Follow Us:Our WebsiteSubscribe on Apple PodcastsTwitterMediumFacebook