Michael Pfohl is the brains behind the Tennessee-based emo band Secret Stuff, as well as a local promoter in Nashville and booking agent for other touring artists. He joined me in the studio (a.k.a. my living room a.k.a. One Sellin' Out Plaza) to discuss the legal nuances of hosting hundreds of punk shows at a place you rent, to encourage owning up to your lofty ambitions, and to convince me to invest in cryptocurrency (which I did and it has stressed me out ever since).

MUSIC FROM THE SHOW:

Secret Stuff, "Maybe You Love Me. Maybe You Floridon't" (from Learning Not to Care)

Low Mass, "The Long Morrow" (from Sleepwalker)

Secret Stuff, "Ew, You Taste Like Cigarettes" (from split w/ Sundressed)

SUPPORT SECRET STUFF: secretstuffemo.bandcamp.com

SUPPORT LOW MASS: lowmasstheband.bandcamp.com

Support the show: patreon.com/sellinoutpodcast

Email: [email protected]

Twitter: @SellinOutAD

Podcast photo by Nick DiNatale (nickdinatale.com)

Theme music: Such Gold, "No Cab Fare" (suchgold.bandcamp.com/track/food-court-blues)