Justin White is Pastor at Stanwood UMC and president of the board of The Well.  Justin loves preparing liturgy and worship.  Katie and I had him on to discuss worship in the midst of a pandemic and tumultuous political times in the USA. We also talk about lament and how essential it is to include the realities of pain and disappointment within worship.  This leads to some wonderful and impassioned words from Katie that you don't want to miss.

Reverend Katie Ladd and Andrew Thomas Hackett discuss what it means to be seen and heard in the church.  How does liturgy help people be seen and heard?  How can people feel belonging during a pandemic?  Katie and Andrew discuss this and more on this episode of Rhythm and Ritual.

Diana Butler-Bass is an author, speaker, and independent scholar specializing in American religion and culture.  Katie Ladd and Andrew Thomas Hackett discuss with Diana the future of the post-Covid church.  Diana's knowledge about church history is a helpful perspective into where we are and where we are going.

Our guest this week is the Reverend Shalom Agtarap.  We discuss the history of the liturgical calendar and how it effects our daily lives.  The implications are both personal and political as we go through life.