Justin White is Pastor at Stanwood UMC and president of the board of The Well.  Justin loves preparing liturgy and worship.  Katie and I had him on to discuss worship in the midst of a pandemic and tumultuous political times in the USA.

We also talk about lament and how essential it is to include the realities of pain and disappointment within worship.  This leads to some wonderful and impassioned words from Katie that you don't want to miss.

Take a listen and get some inspiration as we hang in there and support each other.