Rhonda Magee joins Barry to explore how mindfulness is more than a personal improvement project.

Rhonda draws on her experiences and teachings to discuss how mindfulness can aid in conversations about race, but also how mindfulness practices can evolve to allow for more inclusion and discussion. 

The key is that change doesn’t happen instantly; it is long and persistent work that requires patience and compassion, both of which are found in mindfulness. 

Show notes: Rhonda V. Magee is a professor of law at the University of San Francisco. Also trained in sociology and Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR), she is a highly practiced facilitator of trauma-sensitive, restorative MBSR interventions for lawyers and law students, and for minimizing the effects of social-identity-based bias.