Compassion and empathy fatigue are real things that can affect us in a myriad of ways. Barry Boyce talks to Frank Ostaseski, who has seen a lot of death and pain in his work of helping people who are dying. Frank shares how he came to a place where he could help others in difficult situations without taking on their pain as his own—a skill that became essential for his well-being. 

Together they navigate dealing with death, fear, and grief with compassion and openness. 

Show notes: Frank Ostaseski is a meditation teacher who cofounded the Zen Hospice Project. In 2004, he went on to create the Metta Institute to provide innovative educational programs and professional training to foster compassionate, mindfulness-based care.