
Eve and Kieryn are back for a quick update!
In the last year Trump was re-elected, Project 2025 started becoming law of the land, Eve made quilts, Kieryn briefly appeared in Shiny Happy People season 2 (we get into it), and is ~a semester and finishing their Gofundme away from getting their Associates degree in Social Sciences!
Show notes:
GoFundMe - https://gofundme.com/makekierynsmarter
Convention of States on Shiny Happy People - https://conventionofstates.com/news/mark-meckler-amazon-prime-show-attacks-cos
Prism Article - https://prismreports.org/2024/05/20/christian-nationalist-playbook-usurp-democracy/
Shiny Happy People is streaming on amazon prime!
Aug 7, 2025
37 min

Kieryn and Eve discuss the German family who sought (and were temporarily-ish granted!) asylum in the US to be allowed to homeschool their kids because Germany takes the rights and education of Children seriously.
Show notes:
https://tinyurl.com/romeikenotes
This episode was produced by the lovely Mary Steffenhagen!
Jul 18, 2024
51 min

Kieryn and Eve explain the updated policy agenda of the Christian right. We talk about the various tools Christian nationalists plan on using to usurp democracy regardless of who wins the presidential election this year. We dive into Project 2025, the little known and even less talked about Convention of States, and the bureaucratic mechanism at the crux of it all.
Notes:
Read Kieryn's reporting for prism -
https://prismreports.org/2024/05/20/christian-nationalist-playbook-usurp-democracy/
This episode was originally made as a test episode for a major media company, our producer was Mary Steffenhagen!
Jun 27, 2024
40 min

Errin Haines of The 19th* News joins Kieryn and Eve to talk about the future of journalism, being a progressive Christian while covering the news, and the liberatory nature of Black Christianity in the US.
Notes:
https://19thnews.org/
https://19thnews.org/topics/podcast/
https://x.com/errinhaines
https://www.instagram.com/emarvelous
Jun 14, 2024
51 min

Kieryn and Eve talk with Carly Butler about her memoir, Apocalypse Child, what identity abuse looks like for homeschooled kids, and how it feels to reparent yourself while parenting children.
Pre-order the book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/apocalypse-child-carly-butler/20702732?ean=9781773861326
Follow Carly: @carlymbutton everywhere
May 31, 2024
55 min

Kieryn and Eve chat with Michelle Dowd about her fascinating memoir, Forager. What it was like growing up in the family of a cult leader and how wild it is to get out into the real world after growing up in the woods.
Check out Michelle's work and get the book!
https://bookshop.org/p/books/forager-field-notes-on-survival-a-memoir-michelle-dowd/18759728
https://www.michelledowd.org/
https://www.instagram.com/michelledowdz/
https://mdowd.substack.com/
https://mdowd.substack.com/subscribe?utm_campaign=email-subscribe&next=https%3A%2F%2Fmdowd.substack.com%2Fp%2Fcontinue-foraging-for-what-you-need
May 10, 2024
1 hr 4 min

Kieryn & Eve are joined by the organizers of Read Freely Alabama to discuss the attempt to censor LGBTQ materials in the Augauta-Prattville library and their efforts to protect the library as a community resource for everyone.
Apr 25, 2024
53 min

What do censorship, homeschooling, intellectual freedom, and libraries have in common? We get into it today with Eddie Kristan about the fight libraries are seeing with parental-rights extremist groups trying to censor books and the impact that has on children's rights to access information.
Show Notes:
Institutions on the job:
Freedom to Read Foundation (IF arm of the ALA): https://www.ftrf.org/
Emily Knox - Freedom to Read Foundation - [email protected]
PEN American has been on the job: https://pen.org/report/book-bans-pressure-to-censor/
DPLA - the banned book club: https://www.dplabannedbookclub.com/
Queer Liberation Library https://www.queerliberationlibrary.org/
Brooklyn Public Library's Books Unbanned: https://www.bklynlibrary.org/books-unbanned
Chicago Public Library Book Sanctuaries: https://www.chipublib.org/news/book-sanctuaries-committed-to-protecting-banned-and-challenge-books/
CPL Book Sanctuary Project: https://www.booksanctuary.org/
Past ALA cases:
United States, et al. v. American Library Association, Inc. et al., 539 U.S. 194, 123 S.Ct. 2297, 156 L.Ed.2d 221 (2003)
Tattered Cover, Inc. v. City of Thornton, 44 P.3d 1044 (Colo. Sup. Ct., 2002)
Sund v. City of Wichita Falls, Texas, 121 F. Supp. 2d 530 (N.D. Texas, 2000) the “300 signatories” case.
Case v. Unified School District No. 233, 908 F. Supp. 864 (D. Kan. 1995) The “Annie on my mind” case.
Active cases to follow:
Pen America v. Escanaba School District 23-cv-10385 Filed May 17, 2023
Fayetteville Public Library v Crawford County et al. -23-CV-05086
Book People Inc et al. v. Wong 23-cv-00858 - Filed July 25, 2023
Leila Green Little, et al. v. Llano County, Llano County Texas Library
Most concerning bills:
Idaho HB 666
Indiana SB 17
Iowa HB 2176
Oklahoma SB 1142
South Dakota House Bill 1337:
Tennessee House Bill 1944
Tennessee House Bill 800
Follow:
emilyknox.net
@fobettarh
EddieKristan
Eddie the Giant Librarian
Apr 12, 2024
52 min

Eve and Kieryn chat with Cait West about her memoir, Rift, and what it's like to leave fundamentalist Christianity only to discover that the patriarchy is alive and well in the secular world and childhood pastors became politically active Christian Nationalists.
**Find Cait and buy the book!!**
https://bookshop.org/p/books/rift-a-memoir-of-breaking-away-from-christian-patriarchy-cait-west/20298441
https://www.caitwest.com/
https://www.instagram.com/caitwestwrites/
https://twitter.com/caitwestwrites
https://caitwest.substack.com/
Apr 5, 2024
55 min

What is the future of the pro-life movement without simplistic messaging focused on Roe v. Wade to galvanize conservatives? The nuances of reproductive health science and privacy laws are up for debate, and the unity that the pro-life movement once relied on is fissuring under the pressure to rally support around the details. Banning IVF in Alabama was a deeply unpopular move by the courts, and this week SCOTUS is hearing oral arguments about a case centered on the 23-year-old status of FDA approval for mifepristone. Leading those arguments? Erin Morrow Hawley, ADF senior counsel and the wife of MO Senator, Josh Hawley.
*Show Notes*
https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2023/11/16/why-this-teen-birth-control-case-could-kill-access-for-everyone/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/12/13/23505459/supreme-court-birth-control-contraception-constitution-matthew-kacsmaryk-deanda-becerra
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/10/texas-abortion-law-jonathan-f-mitchell-profile
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/ivf-morally-right/
https://www.lagniappemobile.com/news/ivf-clinic-attorney-argued-embryo-is-a-life/article_4f670e5e-d292-11ee-88e0-6b5e622733c3.html
https://embryoadoptionusa.com/frequently-asked-questions/#:~:text=Parents%20who%20adopt%20embryos%20are,have%20relinquished%20all%20parental%20rights.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130901171332/http://demossnews.com/manhattandeclaration/press_kit/manhattan_declaration_signers
Science:
https://twitter.com/ncrawfordmd/status/1759769551925846303
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-011-6621-8_18
https://ivf-worldwide.com/ivf-history.html
Mar 26, 2024
1 hr 4 min
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