What if schools are doing exactly what they were designed to do, but we've simply outgrown the design? This week, Rod and Jal welcome Caleb Collier for a wide-ranging conversation about one of education's biggest questions: What is school actually for? Drawing on history, philosophy, and years of experience building learner-centered schools, Caleb argues that our education system has prioritized efficiency, compliance, and workforce preparation over something far more important—human flourishing.