
French war reporter and global jihadism expert Wassim Nasr was part of the presidential press party during Emmanuel Macron’s recent visit to Damascus. He shares his first-hand account not only of what happened between Macron and Syrian president Ahmad al-Sharaa during the visit, but also what he discovered afterwards, during a trip to Aleppo and to the northern town of Kobane.
Wassim and Thomas discuss:
What it was like inside Macron’s presidential delegation to Syria
France–Syria relations after the fall of Bashar al-Assad
Macron and Ahmed al-Sharaa at the Umayyad Mosque and Mount Qasioun
Islamic State bombings during Macron’s Damascus visit
French investment in Syrian reconstruction, energy, ports and transport
Aleppo’s security, political representation and slow post-war recovery
Kobani, SDF integration, PKK influence and Arab–Kurdish tensions
Ahmed al-Sharaa’s Islamist pragmatism and Syria’s dependence on his leadership
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Jul 28
1 hr 4 min

In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas meets Laura Spinney, author of Proto: How One Language Went Global, the story of the Proto-Indo-European language and its descendants, which are spoken today by half of humanity.
Laura explains:
How, where, and among whom Proto-Indo-European emerged
How Indo-European split into English, Hindi, Persian, Russian, Greek, Latin-derived Romance languages, Celtic, Germanic, Baltic and Slavic tongues
How linguists reconstruct an unwritten prehistoric language through sound laws, comparative vocabulary and ancient texts
Why ancient DNA has transformed the debate over Indo-European origins by restoring migration to the centre of the story
Who the Yamnaya were, and how mobile pastoralists north of the Black Sea spread language through cattle, wagons, dairy and steppe mobility
How a small number of steppe migrants may have transformed Europe’s languages through disease, prestige, violence, intermarriage and social networks
Why Tocharian, Sanskrit and Persian reveal extraordinary Indo-European journeys from the Pontic-Caspian steppe to China, India and Iran
How ‘Aryan’ began as a real Indo-Iranian self-description before being distorted by racial nationalism and Nazi pseudoscience
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Jul 23
1 hr 14 min

The MoU with Iran has broken down, war has returned to the Middle East, and so Aimen walks us through the events since the war re-ignited on 7th July.
More than anything, the fighting now focuses on the Strait of Hormuz. In Iran’s eyes, it has won control of the Strait as a spoil of war. In the rest of the world’s eyes, freedom of navigation through the Strait remains a cast-iron principle of international law.
Aimen and Thomas discuss:
Why the US–Iran MoU collapsed over control of the Strait of Hormuz
Iran’s attacks on Gulf shipping and the return of the US naval blockade
US strikes on Bandar Abbas and Iran’s coastal military infrastructure
GCC retaliation: Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE and Jordan confront Iran
Trump assassination threats and divisions inside the US administration
Saudi Arabia’s internal debate over Iran and renewed war with the Houthis
Houthi threats to close Bab al-Mandab and attack Saudi infrastructure
Oman, NATO and Israel’s roles in the widening Iran war
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Jul 21
1 hr 6 min

In this latest Conflicted Conversation, Thomas talks with Yaakov Katz, the former editor-in-chief of The Jerusalem Post and co-author of While Israel Slept: How Hamas Surprised the Most Powerful Military in the Middle East.
Yaakov explains:
October 7 intelligence failure and Israel’s missed warnings
Hamas’s ‘Jericho Walls’ plan and ignored Unit 8200 alerts
The Israeli conceptzia: why leaders believed Hamas was deterred
Netanyahu’s Gaza containment strategy and Qatari money policy
Hamas as a political asset against Palestinian statehood
Israel’s overreliance on technology, SIGINT and border barriers
Unit 504, HUMINT failure and the absence of agents in Gaza
Gaza’s tunnel network and Hamas’s hidden underground military city
Operation Guardian of the Walls and Israel’s exaggerated ‘Metro’ success
Netanyahu’s responsibility, Israeli division and the post–October 7 media war
**PLUS: Yaakov answers listener questions! FOR SUBSCRIBERS ONLY!**
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Jul 16
1 hr 1 min

In this latest Conflicted Conversation, Thomas talks with retired US lieutenant general Ben Hodges, former commanding general of US Army Europe. Drawing on his experience at the heart of NATO’s military leadership, Hodges explains:
His proposed path to Ukrainian victory
Ukraine’s deep strikes on Russian oil and gas infrastructure
Ukraine’s campaign to isolate and recover Crimea
Why Hodges overestimated the speed of Ukraine’s victory
The risk of Russia using nuclear weapons in Ukraine
America’s failure to define clear political objectives in war
Ukraine’s emergence as a European defence-industrial centre
Why Western armies have been slow to learn from Ukraine
Pentagon procurement and the military-industrial complex
The NATO summit in Ankara and support for Ukraine
The damage Trump has done to trust between NATO allies
The geopolitical importance of Ukraine to Europe and the United States
Why the Kremlin fears a successful democratic Ukraine
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Jul 14
50 min

As Aimen works hard to uncover the truth of what's going on in the region now that the MoU has been torn to shreds — or so it seems — and in recognition of Syria being taken off the State Sponsor of Terrorism list, we are rerunning this episode from last year where Aimen tells the story of his nephew who joined the jihad against the Assad regime.
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Jul 10
50 min

In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas discusses the true foundations of modernity with Clifton Crais, author of The Killing Age: How Violence Made the Modern World.
Clifton explains:
The Mortecene as an alternative to the Anthropocene
Why global violence accelerated after 1750
How firearms destabilised traditional political orders
The role of credit and debt in expanding slavery
Global complicity beyond a simple West-versus-rest narrative
The industrial destruction of whales, elephants and bison
Vodun and other religious responses to predatory power
What muskets can teach us about drones and AI
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Jul 7
58 min

In this special episode, we bring you an exclusive audio episode of ‘Undiscovered’ the new YouTube-first documentary series from Conflicted’s executive producer and Message Heard founder, Jake Warren.
Jake sits down with the legendary journalist Robert Young Pelton to discuss the infamous battle of Qala-i-Jangi, which he experienced first hand, and how it changed the war on terror forever.
In this episode they discuss:
How Robert became a journalist and documentarian
Robert’s documentary ‘Heavy D and The Boys’
Meeting and spending time with General Dostum
The rumours and myths about General Dostum
Being an eyewitness to the battle of Qala-i-Jangi
Finding John Walker Lindh, the American Taliban
The death of CIA officer Johnny Micheal "Mike" Spann
Where the US went wrong in Afghanistan
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Jul 3
36 min

In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas sweats his way through a personally revealing exchange with Quinn Slobodian, Professor of International History at Boston University and the author of Hayek’s Bastards: The Neoliberal Roots of the Populist Right.
Quinn explains:
Friedrich Hayek’s “knowledge problem” and his defence of markets over central planning.
Hayek’s later theory of cultural evolution, inherited institutions, and the limits of universal market society.
The split between “cultural Austrians” at George Mason University and “racial Austrians” around the Mises Institute.
Murray Rothbard’s move from courting anti-war hippies to building alliances with paleoconservatives and racial nationalists.
Hans-Hermann Hoppe, anarcho-capitalism, secession, and racially homogeneous private communities.
The Bell Curve, Charles Murray, IQ research, and the politics of scientific claims about race and inequality.
The difference between ideas that are empirically false and ideas rejected because they are morally disturbing.
The post-Cold War transformation of neoliberal enemies from communism to environmentalism, affirmative action, feminism, and welfare.
The divide between neoconservatives and paleoconservatives over US foreign policy, nationalism, and the Iraq War.
Whether Hayek’s Bastards reveals a major genealogy of the modern Far Right—or exaggerates the influence of a provocative fringe.
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Jun 30
1 hr 3 min

As the Middle East wakes up to an unnerving new normal following the signing of the M.O.U., Aimen and Thomas turn their attention to something truly cutting edge: the AI Arms Race that is rapidly transforming the Gulf into the front lines of a truly global U.S.-China confrontation.
Aimen and Thomas discuss:
Iran’s drone attacks on Gulf data centres.
AI in missile defence and military targeting.
The physical infrastructure behind cloud computing.
Cheap Gulf energy and rapid data-centre construction.
The UAE–Saudi competition for AI leadership.
Sheikh Tahnoon, G42 and MGX.
Saudi Arabia’s HUMAIN strategy.
The US–China global AI rivalry.
Israel’s cybersecurity and military-AI role.
Whether AI-generated art can be genuinely creative.
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Jun 25
56 min
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