Introducing Kataraina Davis Recently, I went back and had a look at the stats for our podcasts to see what episodes are landing with you. What are you enjoying? And between the top two episodes, there's a pretty clear theme. Our guest, Kataraina Davis, comes highly recommended. She is involved with a programme called Te Kaa which is building capability for people in Tikanga Māori and helping people to understand what Māori values, practices and worldview looks like. There can be a lot of fear and guilt that comes up for non-Māori when thinking about how to work effectively with Māori. If this is true for you, it might be a signal that there's some more learning for you to do. This episode is the perfect place to start. In today’s episode you’ll learn: What does Māori designed innovation systems thinking look like in comparison to more European based ways of working? What is your role? If you're working in a non-Māori organization, what is your role personally? Why being the role model in relationship-building is vital in communicating the importance thereof. What does equal partnership between Māori and non-Māori organisations look like? How do we come to work being fully ourselves and whose responsibility is it to make this happen? Resources mentioned in this episode Kataraina Davis’ LinkedIn profile The Te Kaa website Episode 3 - How to Disrupt Systems for Wellbeing, with Zaynel Sushil Episode 9 - The Five Wai's (Not Why's) of Māori Engagement, with Atawhai Tibble Episode 22 - Real talk about Māori-Crown partnerships, with Kara Nepe-Apatu Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Henry Pavey In theory, collaborative partnerships should move mountains. You share information. Coordinate your activities. Unlock new resources. Share power. You see the whole system and respond - together. But often these partnerships start with a roar… only to peter out as enthusiasm drops and true collaboration falls through the cracks. Today’s guest, Henry Pavey, has made a career out of turning around average partnership groups into ones that have a real impact. During our conversation, I realised that the challenges Henry faces in the UK mirror the challenges with these kinds of partnerships here in New Zealand. Fortunately, Henry has got excellent suggestions for turning around an average partnership. These are based on decades of experiences working inside partnerships and most recently as a strategic partnerships consultant. My hope for today's episode is that it will inspire you to be the brave person that stands up in your partnership group and says, ‘I think we need a refresh’. In today’s episode you’ll learn: What commonly holds back partnerships from achieving their potential The benefits of thinking of your partnership like an organisation Why your partnership probably needs an “engine room” How you can turn around a partnership that is just muddling through - with a combination of qualitative and quantitative feedback sought anonymously before a meeting The value of continually referring back to your vision and ground rules at the top of every meeting. Resources mentioned in this episode Henry Pavey’s LinkedIn profile The Collaborative Impact website Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

15 March 2019 was a dark day in Aotearoa New Zealand, with a terrorist attack on mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. Today's show is with Chris Mene, a community engagement practitioner with deep experience engaging communities following trauma.  He played a big role for over 10 years in Christchurch following the earthquakes. His police background has been invaluable in that battleground context. We talk through the story of Chris's involvement in the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the terrorist attack on Christchurch masjidain.  Chris helped to establish and facilitate the Muslim Community Reference Group and shares his lessons from that process. As facilitators we can learn a lot from somebody like Chris who has engaged in a context that is heavy with grief. Everybody brings some level of trauma with them into every group situation. When you can be aware of that reality, and careful about how you show up as a facilitator, you can create space for understanding and healing. In today’s episode you’ll learn: What facilitators can do to prepare themselves for work in trauma settings. The importance of understanding the current context (and how you can do this). How understanding ourselves is crucial for being effective in conversations about trauma. Why emotional limits are important (and how to establish them). Resources mentioned in this episode Chris Mene’s LinkedIn profile IAP2 Training Courses Anne Pattillo’s LinkedIn profile The Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Christchurch Terrorist Attacks Muslim Community Reference Group: Lessons for the future - Report Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Dr. Toby Lowe FULL VERSION AVAILABLE HERE  Our latest episode, number 29, is with Dr. Toby Lowe on Human Learning Systems - and the show is almost an hour long! So if you're a little bit strapped for time, then we have cut up this shorter episode for you. What I wanted to do with Toby was explore what it might mean to embrace human learning systems here in Aotearoa New Zealand. So if you've got a commute or a moment to yourself and you just want to get to the core of what Toby was talking about, then this summary is for you. In today’s episode you’ll learn: How do we translate Human Learning Systems into language that makes sense in New Zealand - or do we build our own? Why it’s important to be ‘human to each other’ in a public service setting. The importance of experimenting to create effective local solutions. Thoughts on how we can invest our time and energy centrally vs. locally. Resources mentioned in this episode Dr. Toby Lowes’ LinkedIn profile https://realworld.report/ - the latest book on Human Learning Systems - free to access, with 400+ pages of stories and insights https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/assets/documents/hls-real-world-summary.pdf - a summary version of the latest book, at only 60 pages. https://www.humanlearning.systems/ - the central place for learning more about Human Learning Systems and joining the movement https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/ - The think-tank Toby works for which is reimagining government. https://www.psa.org.nz/assets/Uploads/ProgressiveThinking-Toby-Brown-Adrian-Lowe-Thea-Snow.pdf- article on how to embrace HLS in a post-COVID world https://inspiringcommunities.org.nz/shaping-the-future/ - a collection of resources related to various integrated systems shifts Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Dr. Toby Lowe BONUS SUMMARY VERSION AVAILABLE HERE  Today's guest is Dr. Toby Lowe, who is going to give you a choice about what kind of public service world you want to believe in? He is the lead voice behind what is fast becoming a global movement called The Human Learning Systems Movement. And it's all about making a different choice when working in public service. It’s about recognising the full person in front of you. It is based on learning, rather than control. Looking at the underlying causes behind the symptoms that you might be seeing, and really trying to get an understanding of the messiness of what's going on, rather than trying to make things linear. What I wanted to do with Toby was explore what it might mean to embrace human learning systems here in Aotearoa New Zealand. In today’s episode you’ll learn: How do we translate Human Learning Systems into language that makes sense in New Zealand - or do we build our own? Why it’s important to be ‘human to each other’ in a public service setting. The importance of experimenting to create effective local solutions. Thoughts on how we can invest our time and energy centrally vs. locally. Resources mentioned in this episode Dr. Toby Lowes’ LinkedIn profile https://realworld.report/ - the latest book on Human Learning Systems - free to access, with 400+ pages of stories and insights https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/assets/documents/hls-real-world-summary.pdf - a summary version of the latest book, at only 60 pages. https://www.humanlearning.systems/ - the central place for learning more about Human Learning Systems and joining the movement https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/ - The think-tank Toby works for which is reimagining government. https://www.psa.org.nz/assets/Uploads/ProgressiveThinking-Toby-Brown-Adrian-Lowe-Thea-Snow.pdf- article on how to embrace HLS in a post-COVID world https://inspiringcommunities.org.nz/shaping-the-future/ - a collection of resources related to various integrated systems shifts Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Dr Tatjana Buklijas and Dr Jenny Wigley Deliberative democracy is a topic that has come up more than once on the Beyond Consultation podcast. To look at how deliberative democracy might be applied here in New Zealand,  we have not one, but two people here to share their experience working on the Complex Conversations Project that is funded by the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment. Dr. Tatjana Buklijas works at the university of Auckland, and Dr. Jenny Wigley works at Watercare.  They recently teamed up to research the impact of deliberative democracy through a real-life project with Watercare looking at the future of Auckland’s water supply. But what is deliberative democracy? Tatjana explains the three aspects: It involves bringing a diverse group of citizens together (and the diversity of the group is hugely important) You then provide information to that group so they can understand the complexity of a particular issue or situation The group then discusses the issue to see what consensus might (or might not) emerge. Deliberative democracy has a rich overseas tradition. It’s allowed countries to make progress on some sticky issues. How might we build on this in Aotearoa New Zealand while also recognising our own rich history of kōrero in te ao Māori? In today’s episode you’ll learn: The difference between representative democracy, participatory democracy and deliberative democracy, and why it matters. What we can learn from both deliberative democracy and Tikanga Māori. Steps you might take to apply deliberative democracy in your work. How the Complex Conversations Project is working to build a movement of deliberative democracy in Aotearoa New Zealand. Resources mentioned in this episode Beyond Consultation Podcast Episode 13 with Helen Grant where Helen mentioned Auckland Council’s interest in deliberative democracy The Complex Conversations Project Dr. Tatjana Buklijas’ LinkedIn profile Dr. Jenny Wigley’s LinkedIn profile Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Introducing Megan Courtney I first met Megan when I moved to Nelson five or six years ago. We caught up for a cup of coffee and I was a little bit in awe of some of the stuff she was talking about. She's one of the core members of Inspiring Communities and has been with the organisation since it started 15 years ago. In this episode we talk about the changes she’s seen in community-led development during this time. We also explore Inspiring Communities’ journey as an organization that's made up of European descended New Zealanders who are authentically asking themselves, ‘How can we be of Aotearoa New Zealand?’ This episode is packed with all sorts of mind-altering gold nuggets. If you're looking for insight into how to navigate the messiness of systems change or involved in community-led development, you are going to love this conversation. In today’s episode you’ll learn: The nature of cycles, and how we shouldn’t get too stuck on the exciting stuff in the beginning when the real work comes with pushing through. How structural response without changing mindsets and practices can only take us so far. Why it’s important to think of different ways of enabling participation in what you’re doing. How you might authentically grow and nurture a Tangata Tiriti organisation. Resources mentioned in this episode Inspiring Communities’ website. Te Kai a te Rangatira - a collection of videos sharing tikanga Māori. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Today’s topic was inspired by two things that happened on the morning of recording this episode. First, our original guest opened up about not being up to the recording session. Life was just too much at that moment. Second, I was reading this fantastic report called Wellbeing Inspires Well-doing. The report looks at how changemakers’ inner wellbeing influences their work. These two small things made me realise how important it is to look after your own wellbeing, especially if you are hoping to serve others. In short, if the oxygen mask pops down, make sure you put your own one on before you start helping other people. It can be really easy to put other people's needs ahead of our own. Even more so now that we find ourselves in lockdown, possibly alongside family and loved ones. So, if that sounds like something you can relate to, today's episode is for you. In today’s episode you’ll learn: Why it’s important to put ‘protection barriers’ in place for our own wellbeing Six practices that makes navigating complexity easier How pausing and doing something for yourself can help you better serve others Resources mentioned in this episode Download a Wellbeing Plan template If you need a wellbeing coach, we recommend https://www.tuiwilliams.com/ or https://www.intentionalgenerations.com/ Wellbeing Inspires Welldoing report Tips on killing stress by Alicia McKay Personal Practices for Navigating Complexity - article by Business Lab Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

I first met today’s guest when we were fellow actors in our local drama production, but she is much more than a former theater colleague. Deputy Mayor of Nelson City Council, Judene Edgar, really epitomizes what it means to be committed, to going beyond consultation. Her CV is really lengthy (which we discuss), but safe to say that Judene has perspective from so many different angles! In this episode we look ahead to the future of local governments because Judene is in the thick of some of the reforms that are coming down the pipeline being potentially taken from councils and transferred to regional organizations . Within this context, how can you enable local power and local decision making when services are being centralized to improve efficiency through scale? How do you do engagement and consultation? How do you choose the right media? How do you set expectations realistically? We talk about how to keep yourself healthy and well, when you're driven by service and a need to say yes. In today’s episode you’ll learn: The importance of scoping the actual problem, instead of finding solutions for the symptoms. Why it’s important to forge real interpersonal relationships with your community - get out there! How to keep yourself healthy and well when you’re driven by service. Why the right media and realistic expectations go a long way to building trust and understanding in your community. Resources mentioned in this episode Judene’s LinkedIn profile. Information on the Three Waters Reform Programme. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message

Leanne Hughes interviews our host Paul McGregor A year into hosting this podcast, I realise that the process has taught me so much about being a better communicator, facilitator and consultant. Recently, it also led me to being interviewed for Episode 179 of the the First Time Facilitator Podcast with the energetic Leanne Hughes. If you are feeling tired or drained within your role at the moment, today's episode is going to provide you with a bit of inspiration, as well as some new ideas, tools and maybe even some perspective. This time, we are flipping the script and I'm the one being interviewed. Leanne Hughes gave us permission to share her interview with me on our own podcast… with a few edits for our audience! I open up about some of the challenges I've faced working in government, being a facilitator, and a consultant, and how it all brought me to where I am today. In today’s episode you’ll learn: Why facilitation doesn’t mean solving all the problems for your group. Some of my past facilitation failures and how those have shaped me Why it’s important to realise that the value we deliver is separate from our self-worth How trusting your curiosity and intuition can be great tools for facilitation in the moment. Resources mentioned in this episode Paul McGregor’s LinkedIn profile. The Business Lab website Leanne Hughes LinkedIn profile. The First Time Facilitator Podcast The Flipchart Facebook page. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter Sign up to our fortnightly newsletter and get the insights, tools and powerful whakaaro from people transforming the collaboration space. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondconsultation/message