] Simone Collins: Hello, Malcolm. I am very excited to be speaking with you, because I need to process something, and I think I need you to help me figure this out and hopefully our listeners in the comments too. Wthe DNC basically just went through a multi-layered, messy civil war, and I had no idea. It involved Black and Latino constituencies fighting for symbolic primacy amid this larger ideological fight between the moderate establishment Democrats, which lean heavily on Southern Black voters, and the progressive DSA wing.[00:00:34] And then even while this political environment is heavily in the Democratic Party’s favor, and I can tell you about primary turnout levels and everything else th- this is their game to lose. The national committee is struggling. The New York Times describes the DNC as troubled and broke with money problems and organizational- I...[00:00:53] They’re[00:00:53] Malcolm Collins: completely broke. They’re not giving money to any of their candidates. It’s[00:00:55] Simone Collins: Which is like- Yeah, pe- people are throwing cell phones. And then of course, in line with typical DNC culture, filing complaints a- about it. Come on, God. I’m sure that s- various objects are thrown among Republican operatives, but I w- doubt that they’re filing formal[00:01:12] Malcolm Collins: reports about it.[00:01:12] No, there was a great tell-all book that came out recently, I don’t know if you’re gonna review this, from a DNC insider about how bad it is to work in the DNC. No. And she was like- That’s not at all nice ... talking about how she had a, when she produced good work, whenever she would do an astounding job and really impress everyone-[00:01:31] Simone Collins: Yeah[00:01:31] Malcolm Collins: One of her Black coworkers would start to give reports about how because, she’d always try to put it down or something, how she wasn’t giving primacy to Black voices or something. Oh, my God. Basically as a technique to consolidate power around herself. To suppress. It...[00:01:45] yeah.[00:01:45] Simone Collins: Yeah. Wow.[00:01:46] Malcolm Collins: And this was just apparently a constant thing that you have to deal with when you’re in one[00:01:49] Simone Collins: of those positions. If it gets rewarded, you’re gonna do it.[00:01:52] Malcolm Collins: Yeah.[00:01:52] Simone Collins: So she wasn’t being, like, wrong, she was doing the right thing. Just sucks. Anyway multiple outlets were reporting that the chair of the DNC, Ken Martin, has faced criticism over his leadership, not just for throwing a cell phone at someone else’s desk but specifically for the handling of the party’s 2024 election autopsy, and a loss of confidence among donors and insiders.[00:02:17] If you’re unaware of this particular fiasco, it is quite interesting. , So they did the election autopsy. The guy didn’t want to release it because he thought it was a low quality or it didn’t reflect what Democrats wanted to hear about why they lost the re-election. And then people, , began to make conspiracy theories.[00:02:39] So this is given to him in twenty twenty-four. He was eventually forced to release it in twenty twenty-six. , And it basically didn’t call out anything. That’s what everyone was so surprised about. It didn’t mention Gaza. It didn’t mention Biden not stepping down. It didn’t mention any of that. And then as of August twenty twenty-six, there has been a new revelation, which is that he hid one of the chapters in it, , that was handed to him in a binder saying that Biden himself and not stepping down or passing on the church when he should have, was the single point of failure, and also talking more about the Hispanic, Black, Asian American, and Native American, , turn on the Democratic Party and why that happened.[00:03:23] Simone Collins: So- Let’s start with the Civil War ‘cause it’s weird. It w- this was triggered by the DNC’s choice of which state goes first in the 2028 presidential primary, which to me seems, and I’m I know it’s a big deal, but it feels to me a lot like who gets to enter first at the prom or something.[00:03:44] Malcolm Collins: But it’s not.[00:03:44] It really sets the tone for who wins. It[00:03:47] Simone Collins: does. It does. And I learned that from this. I was like, “I don’t get it. You’re- ... but it really matters.”[00:03:52] Malcolm Collins: I’d say it probably matters as much as 30 to 40%. It’s-[00:03:55] Simone Collins: Yes, in fact, it is this very reason why, for example, Bernie [00:04:00] Sanders had no shot at running for president when I think he probably could have won, honestly-[00:04:05] In the primaries. So here’s the thing, okay? Black voters make up a large share of Southern Carolina’s Democrats, and they’ve long been the party’s most loyal national base. Nevada is this diverse battleground with a substantial Latino population. Black leaders treated keeping South Carolina as the first state to do primaries for the presidential election as a non-negotiable recognition of Black voter centrality, especially after the recent Supreme Court rulings that weakened voting, the Voting Rights Act protections and triggered redistricting fights that reduced Black representation in the South allegedly.[00:04:46] Again, that seems so incredibly stupid that, like- It almost seems racist Everything[00:04:51] Malcolm Collins: is this victimhood fight. Everything[00:04:53] Simone Collins: But also wait, are you saying Black people are incompetent and they can’t even get their acts together to get an ID? This is... It just seems really screwed up to imply that hurts-[00:05:02] Malcolm Collins: Black voters disproportionately, but yeah,[00:05:04] Simone Collins: like- Or get it wrong?[00:05:05] I just I don’t even wanna s- first-[00:05:06] Malcolm Collins: No it’s obviously racist. Okay And it shows that the Democrats are just super f*****g racist. They think Black people are, like, idiots that can’t get IDs, that can’t get jobs, that can’t get-[00:05:16] Simone Collins: Yeah ... you[00:05:16] Malcolm Collins: know. This is like Biden when he was like, you know- Oh, yeah[00:05:18] we wanna do this both for rich people and Black people.[00:05:21] Simone Collins: That’s what they- Oh, I thought you were gonna say if you don’t vote Democrat, then you ain’t Black. That, that[00:05:25] Malcolm Collins: was your- Oh there’s that, too, right? Yeah. Trying to police their identity. It’s disgu- I could not imagine the, how much I would have to hate my own people to be a Black person who voted Democrat.[00:05:34] It just, the level of disgust they treat you with. It’s good for us if for America if the, the Black Democrats do vote first because they’re less crazy than the white Democrats. It’s not good for us because they’ll elect a more electable candidate, but,[00:05:47] Simone Collins: No, that, that is that, that’s kind of the crux of it, though, is that in the end I think anyone who wants a fairly rational future for the Democratic Party wants the primary to be in South Carolina and to be controlled by Black voters because they will wipe out any off-the-charts insane outlier.[00:06:07] Malcolm Collins: And-[00:06:07] Simone Collins: Bernie Sanders[00:06:08] Malcolm Collins: and stuff like that.[00:06:09] Simone Collins: Except this time it’s more like AOC. That’s what kinda people are saying. They’re like if South Carolina’s where it starts, then AOC’s off of this.” But anyway, so to recap the, i- normally it’s been South Carolina, but now people are like no, it should be Nevada.”[00:06:22] And then when ev- the, people are like no, obviously it should be Black,” or Black people in South Carolina who should have the voice. Then the Latina people are like, “Wait what am I? Do I mean nothing? Are we not a large part of the-” You do mean nothing,[00:06:33] Malcolm Collins: by the[00:06:34] Simone Collins: way.[00:06:34] Malcolm Collins: You-[00:06:35] Simone Collins: To the Democratic Party, apparently.[00:06:37] But anyway, South Carolina Democratic Party ch- chair Chris Dale Spain put it super bluntly in her comments, which went viral, and are kinda the most salient ones that are showing up on X, for example. She claimed that elevating Nevada over South Carolina, quote, “Would be because of their Latino vote.[00:06:55] So you would then be telling Black voters that you matter less than Brown voters.” End quote. Which is also putting- Wait, but- ... all these artificial divides in here By[00:07:03] Malcolm Collins: that, by that logic you’re telling Brown voters that they matter less than Black voters.[00:07:08] Simone Collins: Yes. No, but like very explicitly. And she’s[00:07:09] Malcolm Collins: “And of course they do.”[00:07:10] Yeah. That’s taken as the obvious, DNC- Yeah ... position. Yes. Of course Brown people matter less than Black people. Yes. We live in a strict racial hierarchy within our organization.[00:07:20] Simone Collins: Yes.[00:07:20] Malcolm Collins: These people are so f*****g evil.[00:07:22] Simone Collins: It’s trying. Anyway, Al Sharpton and others also echoed this slap in the face framing, and then some countered saying things like, “The earliest primaries should be in competitive swing states, not South Carolina.[00:07:35] Honoring the importance of Black voters and the Democratic base is also valid, but that still shouldn’t be the South Carolina, it should be Georgia and Michigan...” Dot. “The purpose,” I’m reading a quote, “of a primary is to choose the strongest nominee to win the general election. It does not... It does us no good to show us a candidate that is popular in a state that will be irrelevant when it [00:08:00] really matters.”[00:08:00] Which is a very valid point. Anyway, Latino advocacy groups like Voto Latino Victory Project, et cetera, and Nevada Democrats pushed hard the other way, arguing Nevada better reflects some modern coalition Democrats and their needs and that Latinos deserve symbolic first slots after the 2024 shifts.[00:08:17] And this produced open, racially charged sniping between Black and Latino Democratic factions right before the committee vote, exactly the, quote, “Giant fight between Blacks and Hispanics” described. The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee did ultimately keep South Carolina as being first. And Nevada’s right after that, and then New Hampshire, New Mexico, Michigan, and Virginia.[00:08:41] It’s not ratified yet. But this takes place within, again, that cloud of a larger struggle basically between this like, “Hey, let’s just be the traditional old-fashioned Democratic Party,” and the very progressive, more socialist fragment of it that I think is going to represent the future of the Democratic Party, and we can talk about that.[00:09:04] Progressives and DSA-aligned voices viewed the South Carolina first outcome as an establishment move to disadvantage left-wing or socialist candidates. One person in that camp named Christo Ivalis put it this way, quote, “South Carolina is an early state for one reason only: to block any challenges to right-wing Democrats.[00:09:25] It’s got nothing to do with the Black vote. Georgia has a higher proportion of its population that is Black. It’s a swing state, and its Black population is more representative of the national Black population.” South Carolina’s Black primary voters have repeatedly rejected far left figures. Bernie Sanders lost the state badly in both the 2016 and 2020 elections.[00:09:46] It’s where he- Yeah ... started eight years here that we’ve been- No,[00:09:50] Malcolm Collins: no the, the funny thing is that the Bla- a lot of Black Democrats, and a, a lot of people complain about this on the right. They’re like, “Oh, you’ve got all these Black Democrats when the party doesn’t really care about them. And on top of that, they treat them as like a locked voter base.[00:10:02] And on top of that, they don’t share Democratic values.” The, the reality is that a lot of Black Democrats are essentially Republicans. And this is stupid that they vote for Democrats for the mainstream elections, right? But it’s also, in terms of keeping the Democrats from going crazy, a very important counterweight.[00:10:24] They are just racially supremacist Republicans. That’s ... That is essentially what we’re seeing here. And you go in there with, ARCs or Bernie Sanders ideas, and they’re not gonna, to have any of it. They’re like, “No,” I see what you guys are.” They s- we’re not, they’re not about communist BS.[00:10:40] And th- I mean, they’re the type of people who really supported Biden. That was, a, a big early support base for him[00:10:46] Simone Collins: Yeah. Part of me just they feel like the Democratic Party is using Black voters as a cudgel to maintain their own power hierarchies while also just ignoring their actual needs, which is, seems just pretty damn evil.[00:11:01] But anyway the basic gist of it is that people see South Carolina, on the left especially, see South Carolina as a filter that favors moderate Black establishment-aligned candidates, and makes it super harder for an AOC-style or DSA-backed contender to survive the opening round. And that’s what a lot of Democrats really want.[00:11:21] They want... look at the Mamdani wave that has really swept a lot of at least terminally online leftist communities. Nevada was seen as the way to make that feasible for a presidential election. Yeah. So that’s why this had become a bit of a civil war. People were like, “No, this is the future of the Democratic Party.[00:11:42] Don’t stop us. We want stronger unions. We want different demographic mixes.” And no, it, they just-[00:11:48] Malcolm Collins: I actually agree with the decision they made here. I think if you care about Democrats winning it’s better to do this. Yeah. Not winning, but winning with a sane candidate. I guess they could get some sort of crazy populist [00:12:00] which would be- Oh[00:12:00] very dangerous for the future of America.[00:12:02] Simone Collins: I feel like AOC would easily win a presidential election if she could make it through the primaries. Because in the end, she’s young, and attractive, and articulate, and People don’t really think the way that they used to I think she’d be competitive.[00:12:18] Malcolm Collins: I agree with that.[00:12:18] Simone Collins: Yeah ...[00:12:19] Malcolm Collins: but I don’t think she’s a safe person to allow to be president,[00:12:22] Simone Collins: no, but I’m just talking about who would likely win. So look, if it were AOC versus Vance, I don’t know, man. There’s a lot of women who are just like, “Oh, girl power.” Not to go back to the ‘90s, but they’d be real excited about a young, pretty woman, people like young, p- pretty women. It’s a thing.[00:12:41] Malcolm Collins: I think the people who are like that are, would vote Democrat regardless.[00:12:45] Simone Collins: Yeah. But yeah. And there’s also a lot of swing voters who aren’t gonna do the homework and, look at “Oh, another white man,” and then “Oh, this charismatic-looking young woman.[00:12:56] She looks like she could...” Yeah, I don’t know. I just feel like she’d be a genuine threat. And the pr- a lot of progressive Democrats were super, super angry after the decision was made. Some explicitly framed putting South Carolina first as the establishment trying to shut down a progressive presidential candidate and their attempt to make the party shift leftward.[00:13:17] Online and DSA progressive accounts... Sorry, online DSA and progressive accounts basically called the decision one that protected Black, Jewish, and moderate allies within the DNC which is common left shorthand for traditional Democratic power centers that progressives often criticize as insufficiently radical or too tied to their institutional interests, which is not wrong.[00:13:43] I have the same impression. I don’t, I really think they have a fairly level-headed understanding of what happened here. And I don’t... Yeah, I-[00:13:49] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, no, I think they’re right, and I think it is... it’s corrupt. The process is corrupt. The DNC is corrupt. You, did you guys not know that? That’s your own team corruption.[00:13:57] That’s your- Yeah ... your guys’ whole thing is corruption. Like- Yeah ... you’re like I voted for the party,” and they’re like, “No, communism.” Communism has always been about corruption, right? That’s why we don’t like it, right?[00:14:10] Simone Collins: Yeah, absolutely. So all of this is happening while the DNC has some pretty serious money troubles.[00:14:19] The New York Times, I referenced them at the top they published this article called- It’s not[00:14:24] Malcolm Collins: money troubles, they’re completely broke from my understanding.[00:14:26] Simone Collins: No, they’re not just broke they’re in debt. So the, the New York Times article is titled Inside the Phone-Throwing Drama at the Troubled, Broke Democratic Party, and some, some choice quotes from it.[00:14:36] “So much is going politically right for Democrats these days. President Trump’s approval is down, gas prices are up, and an unpopular war with Iran drags on. But dysfunction and debt inside one of the party’s key institutions, which is getting crushed in fundraising by its Republican counterpart, are creating rising anxiety for top Democrats.[00:14:53] Mr. Trump controls a 400 million super PAC and a Republican National Committee is sitting on nearly 130 million. Mr. Martin’s DNC is two million in debt.” That is such a contrast. Two[00:15:08] Malcolm Collins: million in debt,[00:15:09] Simone Collins: gee. Yeah, versus Trump’s 400 million super PAC and the na- the, the RNC sitting on 130. Yowza. That is so wild.[00:15:18] Malcolm Collins: It’s about irresponsibility versus responsibility. They’ve b- they were broke after the Kamala campaign as well. They just wasted money[00:15:25] Simone Collins: on the stupid things. Maybe there seems to be a genuinely different strategy. So they write in the article, “For more than a decade, the DNC has transferred millions of dollars every election to sister committees responsible for winning the House and Senate, but the National Party is now so short on cash, even after taking out a 15 million loan last year, that officials have privately conveyed to congressional leadership that there will be no such transfers in 2026.”[00:15:49] What the Democratic Party has essentially been doing is taking all of its money, even going into debt, although the debt had to do, I think, more with Kamala’s election. But what I... And this is what I saw on the [00:16:00] ground when I ran for office. They’re taking all their money and they’re giving it to candidates.[00:16:05] So the, the opponent against whom I ran was extremely well-funded. He had a team. Like, when I turned in personally- The Republican Party[00:16:13] Malcolm Collins: does not do this, by the way.[00:16:14] Simone Collins: No. I received... so I received help from people in the community who were nice and bros. I did not receive anything more than an endorsement from the committee in our county, and thank you guys for that, of course, but I was also the only person running.[00:16:31] Their choice was to[00:16:34] Malcolm Collins: We also spoke at their big events and stuff like that. We’ve been at something of a hit at Republican[00:16:39] Simone Collins: Events A lot of people in the county don’t like me ‘cause I’m too weird. Anyway but like- ... in general, it wasn’t just me. Also, super normies who were running did not get any help or support from the party.[00:16:51] So it was mostly the people that I met who were running, considering runs, et cetera, were semi-retired local entrepreneurs who wanted to give back to their communities, and were just literally just self-funding everything and begging friends and family for money. Meanwhile, like, when I went to turn in my petitions, after I collected the lion’s share of my signatures, I can’t remember how many it was, but I spent weeks in the in, in sub-freezing temperatures, pregnant, waddling around with a diaper on, so I couldn’t, I wouldn’t take breaks.[00:17:25] This is the humiliation I went through to collect these votes. And then I go to turn them in person in Harrisburg, which is the capital of of Pennsylvania. And I’m there, I’m turning in my votes on, on the day where you turn in your votes. And then my, my Democratic opponent, he has, I think, three people were present on his team turning in his petition votes.[00:17:47] And not a single one of the, the signatures was collected by him personally.[00:17:53] Malcolm Collins: Jesus.[00:17:54] Simone Collins: So you have to keep in mind the profound level of financial and logistical support that Democratic candidates have- What’s[00:18:02] Malcolm Collins: funny here is that the Republican Party has all this money in part because they’re not spending it on winning.[00:18:07] They’re spending it on being a Republican party.[00:18:09] Simone Collins: Yeah. No, when, so I wanna criticize the Republican Party too here. I don’t know if it’s such a win that they’re sitting on all this money, because they are not helping candidates, at least on a local level, get elected.[00:18:22] They’re just sitting on money. I guess they just like to have their Scrooge McDuck vault, because it’s just so fun to breaststroke through the coins. Meanwhile-[00:18:30] Malcolm Collins: I guess what this says is an individual Republican is do not do- donate to the RNC. Donate to candidates.[00:18:35] Simone Collins: Yeah, for real, don’t. Yeah, just donate directly to candidates, ‘cause you are wasting your money.[00:18:41] But I honestly, I came away from that article and I’m like, good for them. They’re actually supporting. ‘Cause, they are explicit in this that they have just given their money to get people elected, and it has been fairly effective. So I kinda don’t wanna as much as this, oh own the libs I f- I kinda feel like they’re owning us.[00:19:00] They may be stressing out. The, th- they’re not doing so well organizationally. They’re toxic. But they’re- I, I’m not saying the RNC’s perfect either. Anyway, I’m gonna take some more quotes from this. Quote, “Some of the problems are a hangover from 2024. While Vice President Kamala Harris raised record sums that year, her loss left many big Democratic donors disillusioned with her, with the party.[00:19:26] Her campaign also had millions in debt to the DNC, spent much last year paying off with Ms. Harris’s help.” And so it, it was Kamala Harris’s election plus them just giving away their money that has put them in this position, and they’re very stressed out, and the leader’s losing it, and, it’s kinda toxic.[00:19:45] But so all of this has me wanting to discuss with you, Malcolm, and then seeing what people are saying in the comments too, what can we expect from the future of the DNC? And what we have here, like a lay of the land, is we have the donation troubles, right? [00:20:00] After 2024, there was this big pull up- pull back by DNC mega-donors who were really frustrated with the direction of the policy.[00:20:07] So-[00:20:08] Malcolm Collins: They did a terrible job[00:20:10] Simone Collins: Yeah, the par- the party did a bad job, and I think it’s good that they’re not getting donations, but look at what the party just did. The party just basically decided- Doubled[00:20:18] Malcolm Collins: down on the[00:20:19] Simone Collins: Kamala narrative Yeah, we’re gonna double down, and you’re... No, you’re not allowed to change us.[00:20:22] You’re not allowed to disrupt us. You’re not allowed to pull us more progressive. We are not gonna listen to the grassroots surge of interest in socialism and in the environment and all these other things. And so I don’t see this donation issue changing with the mega donors because the organization is not changing.[00:20:39] But in addition to these mega donors, overall Democratic funding has also faced headwinds in 2025 to 2026 relative to Republicans, especially at the party committee level. But it’s not like everything’s drying up. Candidates are still getting donations and stuff. Anyway, Democratic primary turnout is quite good right now.[00:21:00] Okay, so money troubles, eh, ‘cause they’re refusing to change, but they’re still... People are... Democrats are still way better than Republicans at turning out to primary elections. Yeah.[00:21:09] If they[00:21:10] Malcolm Collins: didn’t, the next election’s even harder for us.[00:21:12] Simone Collins: Yes. So let’s see. Based on multi-state results and multi-state analyses and reporting through mid to late July 2026, the...[00:21:20] across the board, yeah, it, it outperforms. But also, I wanna argue that broad Gen Z sentiment is worrying. This is a slightly off-topic, but I think it’s important to note this here. Something that’s been trending on X recently, and More Births put this as part of his this is why people don’t have kids.[00:21:37] They expect... They need to spend so much more money to do anything than for earlier generations did, and this is part of the problem. This 20- And he’s using this survey that’s now trending as part of his argument. It’s this 2024 Empower survey of 2,203 US adults, which found an overall average salary of around $270,000 is what people felt they needed to be financially successful.[00:22:03] But the generation-specific figures are what really make this survey super notable. So what do you think baby boomers thought they needed per year to be financially successful in this survey?[00:22:13] Malcolm Collins: I’m gonna guess $150,000 or $125,000.[00:22:15] Simone Collins: No, $99,874. Okay.[00:22:19] Malcolm Collins: Okay?[00:22:19] Simone Collins: Baby boomers. All right. What about Gen X?[00:22:23] Malcolm Collins: I, the young, I’m gonna guess 200,000, 250,000 212, yeah.[00:22:26] 212 to[00:22:28] Simone Collins: 221 for Gen X, so like twice as much as baby boomers. Millennials, what do you think- ... us millennials, us olds, but not that olds,[00:22:37] Malcolm Collins: Half a million a year.[00:22:39] Simone Collins: No 180,000. Dude, I’d be happy with 180,000. That’d be good.[00:22:45] Malcolm Collins: That’d be really- Like- Yeah, that, life would be good ... yeah,[00:22:47] We would love that,[00:22:48] Simone Collins: right?[00:22:48] Malcolm Collins: Guys, donate on the Patreon. I, I- ... mentioned once in a Leaflet stream I did the whole, subscribe, donate, et cetera, and she ... She got very embarrassed and she was like, “My fans donate enough to me. You don’t need to say that,” right? Like-[00:22:58] Simone Collins: Aw.[00:22:58] Malcolm Collins: But we don’t say it enough. No. We gotta-[00:22:59] Simone Collins: You guys should donate to Leaflet.[00:23:01] Donate to Leaflet.[00:23:02] Malcolm Collins: No. What? The, g- get our weekend episodes, okay? You donate enough. Hey,[00:23:06] Simone Collins: actually, yes. Yeah, no, so in case you don’t know, we have a sub second Patreon that gives paid subscribers access to weekend episodes. We do seven episodes a week, and you can get access to these weekend episodes where we say more spicy things and are a little more candid.[00:23:23] And yeah we post things that we wouldn’t normally- Or[00:23:24] Malcolm Collins: we say boring things that I care about but the rest of the world won’t care about. No, no one else is gonna care about how annoyed I am at Eliezer Yudkowsky. And-[00:23:33] Simone Collins: I don’t know. Yeah. I don’t know. I am. So anyway it’s for the, the people in the know, the, the real men of culture and women.[00:23:40] The real men of[00:23:40] Malcolm Collins: culture.[00:23:41] Simone Collins: Women of society, yes. So anyway, you can support us if you want to. We appreciate it. Apparently we don’t receive as much as other people, and $180,000 a year sounds fricking awesome. So do millennials. Yeah, right? But so now guess what Gen Z thinks they need. All right? So- All right,[00:23:57] Malcolm Collins: what do they think they need?[00:23:58] Something astronomical. Yeah,[00:23:58] Simone Collins: so remember, [00:24:00] boomers around $100,000. Gen X around $200,000. Millennials 180. Gen Z what is, what do the children want? What do they think they need?[00:24:10] Malcolm Collins: They, half a million, I guess[00:24:13] Simone Collins: 587,797 thousand[00:24:16] Malcolm Collins: 500, God, my God[00:24:18] Simone Collins: To, to, yeah. They know and we know that they are never going to get that unless they’re in the 1% that actually gets excited about AI and builds something cool.[00:24:26] But that is not everyone. Or the, the, the other 1% that marries them and lucks out. Everyone else knows they’re not gonna get that. And you know the one way they think they’re gonna get that is by taxing-[00:24:40] Malcolm Collins: Stealing it ...[00:24:41] Simone Collins: by stealing it, by socializing it. Okay? The, the demand for socialism that we are going to see as AI rises, that we already see-[00:24:52] Malcolm Collins: What’s so funny is-[00:24:52] Simone Collins: among Gen Z- ... the[00:24:53] Malcolm Collins: group that wants socialism is fighting against the technology that allows for socialism[00:24:59] Simone Collins: I know. I know. I know. That’s the funny thing. So Elon Musk recently had this a very contentious interview with, the editor-in-chief of The Economist. It’s so funny to watch the commentary on both sides, ‘cause far left progressives are like, “She owned him.”[00:25:15] And then the, all the rightists are like, “He owned her.” And they’re like, we’re all watching the same exact interview, and it’s so weird. We all[00:25:22] Malcolm Collins: believe in different- because leftists don’t care about the logic or the arguments being made. They’re just like, “She said the points.”[00:25:29] Simone Collins: She said the thing.[00:25:30] Yeah, I, anyway, so one thing that on, on this whole... Oh, I lost my train of thought. Let’s see. No. You were[00:25:37] Malcolm Collins: gonna say something that happened in the article about socialism b- being allowed through AI.[00:25:42] Simone Collins: Oh yes. I’m obsessed with Iain Banks, the sci-fi writer and his Culture series.[00:25:45] Yes. And so is Elon Musk. And she’s like but did you know that Iain Banks was a socialist?” And Elon Musk tries to explain to her And then she cuts him off. But yeah, the whole point is AI makes capitalism, sorry makes communism possible. Like the whole real communism has not been tried.[00:26:07] Malcolm Collins: Or it ma- it makes... look it, the, the, the thing about socialism and communism is that you have to steal money from the people who are working, which is presumably humans, but- No, as[00:26:16] Simone Collins: long as there are people working. Communism was designed for a post-scarcity society. Yeah, but if- The whole[00:26:20] Malcolm Collins: point ... the people working aren’t human, if it’s AI who’s- making all the money, you can do this stuff.[00:26:26] Simone Collins: Yes.[00:26:27] Yes. Yeah. Then you’re not stealing from humans anymore, it’s just AI being like, “Whatever, dudes.” Fine.[00:26:31] Malcolm Collins: We’re not pro w- whatever that economic system looks like. It’s likely gonna be different than generic capitalism, but we’re already pretty socialistic.[00:26:38] We don’t let people starve to death like I think we should, right? If-[00:26:41] Simone Collins: We’re extremely socialistic. Oh, we’ve... Come on, we did a, the United States is a socialist paradise episode. We’ve done- Yeah ... this whole thing. But my, yeah, the, it is ironic, but my point is that what we can expect as AI rises, and as time goes on, and as younger generations gain influence and older generations die, is an extreme.[00:27:01] Okay, it’s one of those things- ... of while the DNC won this battle, they are going to lose the war. Younger Democrats also they’re just... So they tend to be more progressive, more critical of institutions and capitalism, more skepital. Skepital. I’m really losing it. More skeptical of the Democratic establishment and more left-leaning on foreign policy, especially with regard, of course, to Israel and Palestine, and criminal justice.[00:27:26] So if you look at Pew’s 2026 political typology, adults under- ... 30, and Democrats under 30 specifically, are far more likely to fall into groups like leftward progressives, that is to say very progressive across the board and skeptical of the party, and left out left, which is Democratic-leaning but disillusioned.[00:27:43] Whereas older Democrats are more likely to be concentrated among Pew’s profile called loyal liberals, who feel like they’re better represented by the party and its leadership. They’re about to die, so this is a very temporary main- maintenance of stability. Also, Gallup data show Democrats [00:28:00] under 50 have become notably less positive about capitalism over the last 15 years, while older Democrats’ views have shifted a lot less.[00:28:07] So they’re holding the party to a form of what we would call sanity that’s not gonna last. Yeah ... and younger Democrats prioritize issues like housing costs instead of debt reduction. This[00:28:17] Malcolm Collins: is why I don’t think that we can continue to really operate like a two-party state going forwards, right?[00:28:21] Simone Collins: It’s g- yeah, when p- one party believes in overthrowing government, probably. Yeah. And also, younger Democrats are way more skeptical of police and the criminal justice system. They don’t want law and order. They are less likely to view police as essential and more supportive of major reforms and rebuilding systems for racial equity, whatever that means.[00:28:43] Whereas older Democrats obviously are[00:28:45] Malcolm Collins: more- You know what it means. It means a racial hierarchy. It means[00:28:48] Simone Collins: racism. Apparently, ‘cause I thought maybe, like- Racial equity looked if you break the law, you’re in trouble. It doesn’t matter what color you are. But apparently racial equity means if you break the law but you’re this color, then-[00:29:00] Malcolm Collins: You’re not in trouble.[00:29:01] Yeah ...[00:29:01] Simone Collins: you[00:29:03] Malcolm Collins: know you get a- the people who aren’t aware that this is a mainstream position on the left now, look at the Anthony trial that just happened, right? Look at the just absolute crickets on the left over the woman going to jail for calling a child grapist a grapist. No, sorry, she didn’t call him...[00:29:17] She called him the N-word. Okay ... the the, the one who called him a grape- Oh, the other one. Sorry ... but the N-word. But the one about the N-word was particularly telling, because at her trial, she, they didn’t need the witness there to convict her. They didn’t have him come to stand once, yet they wouldn’t hold his trial for child grape because the, the witness wasn’t there anymore.[00:29:38] So the, the standards for trying a Black person immigrant for grape are significantly lower than the standards for trying a white woman for saying the wrong thing. It is astonishing that we’re at that point as a country. But we are, and everybody knows it at this point, right? Everybody can see the severe inequity of how court trials are carried out and the way our justice system works.[00:30:01] Simone Collins: But the way you hear it from mainstream Democratic influential voices, even voices of people I like, like Ezra Klein it’s gonna sound very different. This revolution isn’t gonna sound like we need to destroy the justice system. We need to enact socialism. Like in a recent podcast that Ezra Klein and his guest, Ben Wilker, did they just argue that Democrats are losing trust, not just because Trump’s appeal, but because many voters see neither party delivering materially better lives, and that parties path forward involves a focus on affordability and Democratic legitimacy, with Democratic legitimacy really meaning our side always wins, and affordability meaning someone else pays for everything I want.[00:30:46] And I just find this, I don’t know, disturbing. So I... One, the reason why I wanted to do this episode is I think that the fact that there was a civil war is important. The fact that the, we’ll say radical side lost it is Way more trivial than a lot of the people who are having butt hurt about losing right now would let on.[00:31:10] Okay, this probably means that AOC has absolutely zero shot in 2028, whereas I thought that she did for a while. She’s out now. Functionally, her campaign is over before it began. But that doesn’t mean that for the next president- presidential election there will have been a whole bunch more pent-up demand.[00:31:28] Maybe what we’re gonna see in the next cycle is the Democratic Party truly dying. Between this confluence of them having financial troubles, and then now choosing not to change when they’re getting very clear feedback that people want them to change and become more radical, I feel like that could pave the way for some form of partial or total collapse, followed by a replacement by something far more radical.[00:31:55] But what’s your read on this? Am I freaking out about nothing, or am I seeing real tailwinds?[00:31:59] Malcolm Collins: No, [00:32:00] the Boomer Democrats are basically controlling the party with an iron fist. They’ve shown no interest in letting go of the party that they’re controlling with an iron fist. If you look at the, the book that I said, the tell-all that came out in 2026 it’s called Evan Parker’s Nothing Left: Confessions of a Democratic Operative.[00:32:15] She talks about how they have aggressively given up on the white working-class population. That it’s not even seen as something that they should want to aspire to like anymore. It’s now very much yeah, white working-class people are the problem, right? She also detailed e- everything was filtered through race, gender, and identity.[00:32:35] Healthcare and economic issues for ordinary workers were considered secondary and had to be reframed in racial terms if anyone was gonna listen. Donors leaving voicemails saying that they wouldn’t give candidate wasn’t a woman of color if the candidate wasn’t a woman of color. Resumes of white men were just discarded.[00:32:51] Language policies, e.g. correcting pregnant women to pregnant people. Barker argues donors and activists leaned into race and identity politics partially because it let them avoid the harder economic realities of facing non-college workers. She notes that the average American worker having only about $1,000 in retirement savings.[00:33:10] Staffers and consultants allegedly use their own identity in bad faith to undercut and settle scores She said it had a Hollywood movie level of toxicity. She she says that the elite progressive type industrialized radicalism, she highlights people from wealthy, long time leftist families.[00:33:29] Examples include Koe Cockburn, sister of Olivia Wilde h- who push hard left causes like defund the police style initiatives while living far from the consequences. This is something we all see. And her breaking point was getting iced out of campaigning after speaking up. The post 2020 woke peak culture and watching the party talk past heartland economic pain.[00:33:53] Basically, she’s just “They don’t care about average...” Which everybody knows but I think she was shocked to see that no, they are explicitly a racist party. Their agenda is explicitly racist and explicitly about racial supremacy. And those factions if you wonder what it felt like to be in a country as the Nazis were gaining power, you are seeing it right now, right?[00:34:14] They believe in a very explicit ethnic hierarchy. They believe in now you can And it’s something... and that’s the number one thing to them. And a lot of what’s getting dropped, as I’ve talked about and I think that we’re gonna move more in the direction of the, these factions getting dropped because of what we’re seeing here is the gay agenda if you wanna call it anything.[00:34:37] The where they’re keeping their voter base and everything like that is going to lead to that being dropped more aggressively and faster than it otherwise would have. You for example, if a gay person tried to run in, among South Carolina Black Democrats, they’re not gonna win.[00:34:50] Simone Collins: Oh.[00:34:50] Malcolm Collins: I[00:34:51] Simone Collins: mean, were they gonna win before?[00:34:53] Malcolm Collins: No, they could win in Nevada. They could win in New Hampshire. They could win in a lot of states.[00:34:57] Simone Collins: Oh yeah. Yeah.[00:34:57] Malcolm Collins: But they’re not gonna win among the, the Black South Carolina Democrats.[00:35:01] Simone Collins: Yeah, that’s[00:35:01] Malcolm Collins: true. Yeah. And I don’t even think somebody but will they go for... They will also push back against the Islamists, though.[00:35:07] So that, that does give us the... these are the types of Democrats that are most likely to find somebody like Hassan disgusting or be deeply disinterested in a politician like Mondami.[00:35:17] But it’s the same with the people who control the DNC, I think what we’re gonna see is some sort of coup within sort of the Democratic Party.[00:35:23] I think that you could get enough excitement for one of the Islamist supporting candidates to actually have them work. So I think that’s where we’re going.[00:35:34] Simone Collins: But that, that whole contingent is only going to have a very short-[00:35:36] Malcolm Collins: I know, it’s only gonna age, and it’s, it radicalizes the younger contingents more, and I think it shows why we’re given a grace period to transition out of a d- Democratic state. But it’s something that’s likely a conversation that I am increasingly attempting to, and I think that we on the right need to think about[00:35:54] if you have the types of people that they want to win in the White [00:36:00] House, right? If they take power, elections stop, right? Kamala has basically already said this. She’d said that the things that she regretted the most was not tabling changing the way election rules work and stuffing the Supreme Court with justices.[00:36:14] Speaker: . It means being ruthless. , And we must allow for a real conversation about revisiting certain things.[00:36:28] For example, and I know this is gonna be controversial coming from me in particular, we need to revisit the Electoral College. We need to revisit the point of expanding the Court to 13 justices, like we have 13 district courts. We need to revisit, if they so want, statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. Yes[00:37:02] Malcolm Collins: Like-[00:37:02] Simone Collins: Oh, as like what she was running on?[00:37:04] Malcolm Collins: She said she should have run on that. She said she should have talked about it more as part of her plans. And apparently, I guess that means that was part of her plans. If they’re playing the game this way, we need to consider playing the game this way.[00:37:15] And not in a panicked way, not in a running around with like a chicken with her head cut off way, but in a just realistically this is the direction we may need to go to have a stable country.[00:37:25] Simone Collins: And this is something that came up in the episode that we ran on the different way that conservatives and liberals view each other, with conservatives viewing liberals- That hasn’t gone[00:37:36] Malcolm Collins: live yet.[00:37:37] This’ll probably go live before that.[00:37:38] Simone Collins: Oh, okay. So there was research that came out recently that basically said that liberals dehumanize conservatives way more than conservatives realize. Basically, that’s the punchline. And with that being the case, liberals are going To do a lot more to undercut conservatives, and conservatives won’t realize that.[00:37:56] They’ll be like, “What? Look, they, they have a, Senate majority this year. Whatever, the, the- their team won for now, ha, it’s fine.” And then they don’t realize that this, this group of people that is in power for this period really hates them, and also thinks that they hate them more than they actually do.[00:38:15] That- yeah ... conservatives actually don’t hate conservatives that much ... the basic issue is that your average[00:38:17] Malcolm Collins: conservative is unaware of how much the other... It y- most conservatives think s- liberals hate them. However much they think they hate you, scientifically you are underestimating it. And the correction there, the market correction there, is not to hate them more, but to be more willing to take drastic action while still treating them with love and empathy.[00:38:39] Because I think that’s what makes the Conservative Party so strong, is what I argued in that episode.[00:38:42] Simone Collins: And yeah. The, the, the, what you argued was that’s how you’re gonna get all the... can also win them over to your side when they get ex- a little bit of exposure to the right, actually what the right is, and then realize how not toxic it is, how healthy and wholesome it can be.[00:38:56] It, ‘cause what you described in that book also, that sounded horrible. That sounded really-[00:39:01] Malcolm Collins: Yeah ...[00:39:01] Simone Collins: not fun. Whereas it’s so clear that the people working for Republican, like, congressmen and stuff are having a good time.[00:39:07] Malcolm Collins: Everyone- Yeah, we recently did an episode where they released Anthony Fauci’s diaries, and they made the first page styled like a teenage girl’s guidebook.[00:39:14] And I’m like, oh my God, I love... It’s not just the White House Twitter team. It’s all across the White House. Yeah, this is not a toxic[00:39:19] Simone Collins: environment. People don’t have that level of fun in a toxic environment. It’s just-[00:39:24] Malcolm Collins: Yeah ...[00:39:25] Simone Collins: oh, God, it’s so good. It’s so good. It was, yeah, delightful and-[00:39:29] Malcolm Collins: Get, let’s get Trump his third term.[00:39:35] Simone Collins: I really can’t tell if he’s trolling or serious, and I think that the problem I have, which everyone has with us too, is that the answer is yes. He is trolling. He is serious. He is both. Is that your take too?[00:39:51] Malcolm Collins: What? He is trolling, he is serious?[00:39:53] Simone Collins: Running again.[00:39:56] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah. It’s what we want, [00:40:00] right?[00:40:02] Simone Collins: I would be excited about Vance running. But it- the timeline is so weird now that I cannot predict what it will be like in two years. Are you g- are you looking at prediction markets?[00:40:18] Malcolm Collins: No. Hold[00:40:19] Simone Collins: on. Polly market.[00:40:21] Malcolm Collins: I know that right now the two top candidates to win the next president are Marco Rubio or JD Vance.[00:40:27] Simone Collins: 20% JD Vance. Okay, so 20% JD Vance, 13% Marco Rubio, 11% Gavin Newsom. Wow, why do they think a Republican’s gonna win? I thought mo- I figured people’s safe bets would be that-[00:40:39] Malcolm Collins: it’s more th- that there’s just no strong candidate as a Democrat to win[00:40:44] Simone Collins: And it’s insane. So after John Ossoff at 9% is A- well tied with AOC, 9%, they should tank AOC after what happened with South Carolina, right?[00:40:58] Like, why? I guess people haven’t gone to change their- Who[00:41:01] Malcolm Collins: else is running? That’s the problem. Who else?[00:41:05] Simone Collins: There are- okay, Kamala Harris is after that at 5%, Donald Trump’s at 3%, and then Josh Shapiro’s at 3%. So Josh Shapiro and Kamala Harris, John Ossoff, I don’t know that much about him. But maybe him.[00:41:18] But definitely in terms of both Josh Shapiro, po- Josh Shapiro would be a pretty good bet, actually. Everyone argues that Kamala probably could have won. Probably not, though, because he’s a Jew. Now, hold on, there’s no way that Josh Shapiro could win. Okay, so- Yeah, a[00:41:35] Malcolm Collins: Jew[00:41:36] Simone Collins: in[00:41:36] Malcolm Collins: this political[00:41:36] Simone Collins: climate?[00:41:37] Kamala Harris? Oh not again. Could it be Kamala Harris again? I[00:41:44] Malcolm Collins: did a, we did a video on that, and everyone’s like, “No, it won’t really happen this far out.” You wait and see.[00:41:50] Simone Collins: We might- Well, look at the viable Democrats, ‘cause I just don’t know if... Okay, let’s see what John Ossoff looks like, ‘cause if you look presidential that really fricking helps.[00:41:59] I don’t know. He doesn’t look... He could look presidential. It depends on the photo. Depends on the photo. He has kids. He has a wife and kids. He’s tall. That’s good. He looks to be very tall. That helps. I[00:42:14] Malcolm Collins: could see somebody who I think people are[00:42:15] Simone Collins: probably oh- He- he’s a Democrat from Georgia. That helps.[00:42:20] Malcolm Collins: Yeah.[00:42:20] Simone Collins: Maybe he’s awesome. If I had to put my money somewhere, I would just do it out of hope that it’s not Kamala.[00:42:26] Malcolm Collins: Everybody says that the, the person who’s running who would be incredibly strong if he runs is the Biden Jr. or whatever his name is.[00:42:35] Simone Collins: Oh my God, yes. Yes. Where is he on Polymarket?[00:42:39] Hunter Biden. Hunter. Control + F. Oh, no. Maybe... Didn’t he commit a felony? And maybe you’re not allowed to run for president. No,[00:42:50] Malcolm Collins: No, because he’s talked about running. He knows, he knows-[00:42:53] Simone Collins: At least Dwayne The Rock Johnson is at 2%. I would... Oh, we’d have to vote Democrat if we’re Dwayne The Rock Johnson.[00:42:59] Malcolm Collins: He’s,[00:42:59] Simone Collins: he’s- It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t[00:43:00] Malcolm Collins: matter.[00:43:02] Simone Collins: I would[00:43:02] Malcolm Collins: still vote for Rogan, but he’s he seems like a cool guy.[00:43:05] Simone Collins: Dwayne The Rock Malcolm.[00:43:06] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, he seems like a cool guy.[00:43:07] Simone Collins: We need to keep pushing the celebrity president era or we cannot bring Idiocracy into fruition.[00:43:14] Malcolm Collins: The-[00:43:14] Simone Collins: Okay?[00:43:14] Malcolm Collins: Actually. Yeah.[00:43:16] But no, I think Hunter Biden is the obvious choice for the next mainstream Democrat. He’s an incredibly strong candidate. He appeals to both factions very well.[00:43:24] Simone Collins: Yeah he’s the rebel. He’s... Yeah he’s he’s the deposed prin- or like the what’s the word? The banished prince, the bad boy. Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, the bad boy. He[00:43:33] Malcolm Collins: could become a- Very Trump energy. Yeah.[00:43:35] Very,[00:43:35] Simone Collins: Non-recognized trooper baby. Yeah, he’s... Yeah, he could do it. Maybe he could, yeah. Didn’t he... Wasn’t he on with Nick Fuentes? Maybe he’s really doing the rounds. He could, like- Yeah, no, he[00:43:43] Malcolm Collins: did a, he did an interview with Nick Fuentes.[00:43:45] Come on. He’s- Wow ... he knows how to play the game.[00:43:48] Simone Collins: He could pick off a lot of the young conservative men. Oh.[00:43:52] Malcolm Collins: He’s literally... When D- when Fuentes is like, “I want my faction to join the Democrats,” he could enable that functionally.[00:43:59] Simone Collins: [00:44:00] Wowee. That’s... Okay, that’s- Ooh.[00:44:05] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, no, seriously. I, like Nick isn’t like performatively joining the Democrats.[00:44:10] He’s like fully in on it now, right? And-[00:44:13] Simone Collins: That’s fun ...[00:44:14] Malcolm Collins: his candidate- I wanna read[00:44:14] Simone Collins: his secret diaries. I wanna read Nick Fuentes’ diaries, and not the fan fiction version that’s no doubt on Archive of Our Own. Damn. ‘Cause he’s up to something. You know his dear diaries would be so fun. “Today I went to Mar-a-Lago with Kanye,” or whatever he was calling himself then, “and we had lunch, and they served chocolate cake.”[00:44:38] That chocolate cake was really good, Malcolm. Do you remember it?[00:44:41] Malcolm Collins: From Mar-a-Lago? Yeah. I don’t remember the cake. I remember Mar-a-Lago. I, the the main takeaway for me on that trip is in person Trump is way more charismatic than he is over the air, which is saying a lot.[00:44:51] Simone Collins: Saying a lot. It really is saying a lot.[00:44:52] That is really... Damn, yeah.[00:44:55] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, he’s got- And Mar-a-Lago is different ... massive rizz. I don’t have that level of rizz. I could never- Yeah, nor would I ... I will admit when I am genuine- When you’ve been outrizzzed. I... Yeah, I’m a very arrogant person. ... I’m a very self-confident person, and I’m here saying-[00:45:08] Simone Collins: Not as self-confident as Trump.[00:45:10] You would not call newspapers and pretend to be your own press agent.[00:45:15] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I don’t have[00:45:16] Simone Collins: that level of confidence. That is moxy. Yes. Oh. That is the coolest- I love, my favorite is when I hear like super hard left, like trans hard left like people go on about how they’re like, “It’s a shame that Trump became a politician, because he’s such a great character.”[00:45:32] They want to love him. Yeah. And they do secretly, they just hate the concept of him. What a guy, huh? Yeah. I also understand why he’s so obsessed with the White House ballroom. It just it, as much as everyone’s, they hate on it now, f- all future presidents are gonna be so thrilled about it as a fundraising venue that’s, it’s like stupid to even...[00:45:59] I don’t know why the Democrats aren’t practically paying for it. They’re the ones who need to fundraise more. Y- you can just mint money with a ballroom like that. Because who in their right mind is going to turn down a fundraising dinner invitation at the White House, Malcolm?[00:46:13] Malcolm Collins: Yeah.[00:46:14] Simone Collins: It pays for itself.[00:46:15] Unfortunately it doesn’t, because that’s not how the money’s gonna flow, but like- Anyway, like that, that giant dining room at Mar-a-Lago, like obviously Trump must have figured out had, I m- he must know and use it as a cash cow. And Mar-a-Lago was previously a presidential retreat. Like, all of this makes sense.[00:46:37] All of this- ... anyway, way off topic. I love you so much.[00:46:41] Malcolm Collins: Love you[00:46:41] Simone Collins: too. Let me get the kids who are apparently loose in the house.[00:46:44] Malcolm Collins: On the bok choy, when you use it in the fried rice tonight- Okay.[00:46:47] Simone Collins: Yes ...[00:46:47] Malcolm Collins: be sure to wash it after the leaves have been taken out, because I noticed like bugs and rotting things in between the leaves.[00:46:53] Simone Collins: Trust me, I always fully submerge. I do not trust, I just- No, you[00:46:56] Malcolm Collins: didn’t, you did- hold on. I didn’t say fully. If you fully submerge it, it will not clean it. You have to fully[00:47:01] Simone Collins: submerge it- Take the leaves off. Take the leaves off ... after- I know. Every it doesn’t... You can’t. So if you were to fully submerge like a head of lettuce in water, you have done functionally nothing.[00:47:11] That- Okay ... i’m aware of this. I have watched thousands of hours of cooking shows as a functional anorexic teenager, okay? I know how this works. I know the methods. It’s fine. I it will be... But yeah, you have these two- And don’t use[00:47:26] Malcolm Collins: too much because we still got some other stuff to go through,[00:47:28] Simone Collins: what other stuff to go through?[00:47:29] Malcolm Collins: Don’t we still have some sh- shishitos and peppers and- Oh,[00:47:31] Simone Collins: yeah. Actually, so I pre-cut those last night, so I’m not gonna do the bok choy tonight. I’m gonna start using it tomorrow night, if you don’t mind.[00:47:36] Malcolm Collins: Okay,[00:47:36] Octavian Collins: great. ‘[00:47:37] Simone Collins: Cause we’re also, it’s the weekend tomorrow, so we’re gonna be, like unable to leave the house as a- We’ve gotta[00:47:42] Malcolm Collins: gas this floor because we keep finding wasps.[00:47:44] So we gotta find some thing to go out and do.[00:47:48] Simone Collins: Oh, no. I’m gonna wait until Monday. I wanna fact find We’ve only found three so far, so[00:47:55] Malcolm Collins: That’s a lot of wasps.[00:47:58] Simone Collins: I could tape off. We can tape off [00:48:00] the doors. Do you wanna just do that? Just tape off the doors?[00:48:03] Malcolm Collins: Wh- where do you think they’re coming from? You think they’re coming[00:48:05] Simone Collins: from the hallway? The attic. I think they’re in the attic. They’re in the attic. There’s a nest in the... I pr- I’m pretty sure there’s a nest in my attic[00:48:14] Malcolm Collins: Oh.[00:48:15] That’d be really easy to solve then.[00:48:17] Simone Collins: Yeah, you just... I have to run an extension cord up there, but yeah.[00:48:21] Malcolm Collins: All[00:48:21] Simone Collins: right. The idea is I run it up there, I tape the door, I run it up there. The ozone kills the wasps. Unless the, the attic is incredibly permeable to outside air. I don’t think it’s that permeable.[00:48:32] I think it’s gonna be enough. ‘Cause we gotta pretty good- No, I think[00:48:35] Malcolm Collins: that would be enough.[00:48:36] Simone Collins: Yeah. So what do you... so keep in mind the attics are connected, so if they’re in your attic for whatever reason, it will probably also get to it. I would have to run it at max. You would need to vacate the floor and open all the windows immediately if you smell ozone, of course.[00:48:48] Like-[00:48:49] Malcolm Collins: Yeah ...[00:48:49] Simone Collins: but y- I think I can have you still working upstairs and do it by if we tape both of the doors.[00:48:56] Malcolm Collins: Okay.[00:49:00] Gotta kill those wasps[00:49:03] Simone Collins: I know. I know. I feel bad for the one wasp that’s stuck under the cup[00:49:10] Malcolm Collins: Okay, release it outside, but it’ll just be back inside tomorrow. If it’s living inside and you release it outside, it’s just coming right back inside, and you’re going to gas their nest anyway I[00:49:22] Simone Collins: know[00:49:25] Malcolm Collins: You are too empathetic, Simone[00:49:26] Simone Collins: She’ll die with her friends that way.[00:49:29] Malcolm Collins: Okay, release her outside and deal with it.[00:49:33] Simone Collins: I would want to die with my friends. Right now she’s just very scared and alone[00:49:41] Okay. Bye.[00:49:45] Malcolm Collins: You’re two of... This is women. This is why women can’t be president.[00:49:49] Simone Collins: Melvin- The what? Who deals with all the dead animals? Okay? Who-[00:49:54] Malcolm Collins: Okay, I love you, Simone.[00:49:56] Simone Collins: I love you too.[00:49:58] Speaker 2: Titan, what do you call this?[00:50:03] Your gymnastics? Yeah. Okay.[00:50:09] What do, what do you call your move, Titan?[00:50:21] Banovr? What? Mia, I did a backflip That was pretty impressive, Toasties Can you do it again? Whoa[00:50:36] I’m watching right now, friend[00:50:41] Yeah, I’m taking a video of Toasty doing his little fliparoo You’re not scared, Toasty. You’re the bravest of all. Go, Toasty, go. Go, Toasty, go. Go, Toasty, go. Go, Toasty, go Is that your move, Toasty?[00:51:10] Whoa! There you go. Ooh, full flip The backflip And there’s the chicken just hanging out[00:51:25] Hi, Indie Girl You wanna swing?[00:51:37] Whoa. Whoa, whoa. Are you alarmed by the fast movement? Girly[00:51:49] Guys[00:51:55] Okay, come with me, love. Let’s see what the chickens are up [00:52:00] to. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe