
PJ Smith, director of fashion policy for Humane World for Animals (formerly the Humane Society), has spent almost 20 years getting companies from Gucci to Net-a-Porter to go fur-free.
Now that most top fashion brands have sworn off fur, is wool the next big target for animal welfare activists? PJ talks about why, thanks to LVMH, the fur fight isn't quite over, how he got brands to change their mind about fur, and what's next.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:30 Why fur-free NYFW is historic
08:00 How Humane World actually changes brands' minds
18:30 Fur farming down 85% — the numbers
22:30 PETA vs. H&M: the wool protests
25:30 Is wool humane? Mulesing explained
46:30 Exotic skins: the next target
52:00 PJ's biggest lesson after 20 years
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Sep 28
57 min

Superfakes have never been better and counterfeiters have never been smarter — so how can consumers buy secondhand luxury with confidence?
Sarah Davis started Fashionphile on eBay in 1999, while she was in law school. Resale has exploded since: Her company now employs more than 350 people and authenticates roughly 1,500 luxury bags a day. Sarah reveals how she turned luxury authentication into an almost CIA-like operation, what gives away a fake Birkin bag, and how a $35,000 machine can tell if a Cartier Love bracelet is real or not.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 Law school, eBay, and the Fashionphile origin story
15:00 A real Chanel, a fake one — can you tell?
21:00 Fake bags bought at real stores
23:30 "Your dupe isn't cute"
26:30 The $75 fee that killed the counterfeits
29:30 The $35,000 machine that catches fake Birkins
44:30 Where resale goes next
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Sep 21
49 min

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Trend forecaster Sean Monahan coined the "vibe shift" five years ago to describe the unease millennials felt coming out of the pandemic. Of all the terms Monahan has coined — from "normcore" to the "boom boom aesthetic" — the vibe shift may have been the stickiest. He and Amy revisited his predictions from five years ago and discuss what he got right and wrong.
Monahan offers predictions on whether smart glasses will take; where rage bait is heading; the future of "flexing"; where the Met Gala goes from here; and what luxury fashion has to do to recover.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
03:00 The boom boom aesthetic and the '80s that weren't
06:00 Why crypto killed streetwear
08:30 Normcore, and the anxiety behind it
19:00 Did tackiness give way to taste?
24:00 Smart glasses, glassholes and surveillance
38:00 Rage bait and the clipping economy
47:30 'The Devil Wears Prada 2' and Jeff Bezos
1:04:30 How does luxury fashion recover?
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Sep 14
1 hr 10 min

Amy Chozick has spent her career writing about polarizing women — she covered Hillary Clinton for The New York Times, profiled Elizabeth Holmes right before prison, followed Stormy Daniels for Vogue, and wrote the widely dissected profile of Lauren Sánchez Bezos.
Her new novel, With Friends Like You (https://amzn.to/4yjRlvI), follows Emily, a broke new mom in Manhattan, who goes looking for the college friend who vanished — and finds her working as a high-end escort to billionaires.
To write the book, she researched the world of the ultra-rich obsessively. She also reveals what surprised her about Lauren Sánchez Bezos, discusses the detail everyone rehashed from that profile, and more.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 A new mother, a missing friend, and a billionaire's escort
4:00 Billionaires' Row and the empty towers
13:00 Covering Hillary Clinton, and what power does to people
17:00 Profiling Lauren Sánchez Bezos
23:00 "They stopped apologizing" — the new rich
30:00 Hillary's suits, Lauren's taped-up Vogue pages
41:00 Is fashion getting tackier?
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Sep 8
49 min
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In a stunning move, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has cancelled "John Galliano: Horizons," the Costume Institute retrospective planned for May 2027.
Galliano's biographer and fashion journalist Dana Thomas joined Amy hours after the Met made the announcement. They discuss what this means for fashion, for John Galliano, and for the Met Gala's planner and previously all-powerful architect, Anna Wintour.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
00:30 Why Dana wasn't surprised
01:30 When you lose the politicians and the donors
03:00 "Not an aberration" — Dana's New York Times op-ed
05:00 The incidents that never got reported
06:00 The 2019 spa incident
07:30 What the comment sections revealed
11:30 Philippe Virgitti, still waiting for an apology
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Sep 1
16 min

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The September Issue is R.J. Cutler's 2009 documentary about the biggest issue of Vogue ever made up to that point — 843 pages, 13 million copies sold.
Amy is joined by Kate Casey, host of Reality Life with Kate Casey and a documentary and reality TV expert, to rewatch it seventeen years later. They get into what Anna Wintour really thought of the film, why she and her Vogue team hated Sienna Miller's hair so much, how it all aged, and much more.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 13 million copies sold — and what's left now
06:00 How Anna and Grace actually met
17:30 The retailers' breakfast, when Vogue set the trends
25:00 "Your girls always look the same" - Anna at her harshest
41:00 Anna at home, and the kids who didn't follow her
48:00 The Sienna Miller cover disaster
1:07:00 843 pages, and the era that ended
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Aug 31
1 hr 11 min

Back Row is on vacation this week, so we're revisiting one of the most popular episodes of the year: a two-parter on Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, in honor of The Row's 20th anniversary.
Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen were on television before they could talk and millionaires before they could read. Former Us Weekly editor-in-chief Dan Wakeford, author of the new Celebrity Intelligence newsletter, joins Back Row to break down the Full House casting story, the Dual Star empire, the billion-dollar licensing machine, and the NYU years that changed everything.
Part Two — revealing the secrets behind The Row — is available to Premium subscribers. Sign up at Back Row (https://www.backrow.net/subscribe) to get newsletter access included with your subscription, or in Apple Podcasts or Spotify.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:40 Dan Wakeford and Celebrity Intelligence
02:47 Why the Olsens are a unique case study
07:50 The Full House casting story
10:07 The reality of child stardom
16:22 How their personalities diverged early
19:49 From pennies to $80,000 an episode
26:27 The home video empire begins
33:28 The billion dollar licensing machine
48:00 Turning 18 and taking control
53:41 NYU and the paparazzi years
57:47 How everything changed
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Aug 24
1 hr

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Is everything on social media — even lifestyle content — just rage bait now? New York Magazine features writer Rebecca Jennings joins Amy to unpack her hit Vulture piece on the "influencer recession," when aspirational content no longer works and creators have to come up with "brand-safe rage bait." What does this mean both for the content landscape but also, for rage itself?
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 What is the "influencer recession"?
02:45 The clipping economy & fake virality
05:15 Audrey Peters & the $25 DoorDash coffee
10:30 Why the Alo yacht flopped
14:35 Why Birkins are embarrassing now
19:30 The OpenAI influencer farm trip
24:00 Brands manufacturing their own rage bait
30:00 How Substack changed the game
34:30 Is rage bait losing its power?
Read Rebecca's story: The Influencer Recession — https://www.vulture.com/article/influencer-recession-audrey-peters-interview.html
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Aug 17
38 min

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Is fashion in the throes of a total creative collapse? Critic Eugene Rabkin — founder of StyleZeitgeist and author of the new book Torn: Fashion and Postmodernism — joins Amy to make the case. He argues luxury has "devolved into a consumerist spectacle," its lack of ideas papered over by relentless marketing.
They get into the greedflation behind a $140,000 Dior dress, why "craftsmanship" is the industry's greatest con, the Italian sweatshop scandals that never seem to stick, how Bernard Arnault turned the fashion world into the fashion industry — and the death of criticism, and why nobody seems to care.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:30 Fashion's creative collapse: the thesis
08:30 Greedflation & the $140,000 Dior dress
13:00 The craftsmanship con
15:00 Sweatshop scandals: Dior & Loro Piana's vicuña
23:30 The death of fashion criticism
32:00 Bernard Arnault & how he industrialized fashion
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Aug 10
41 min

John Galliano is the subject of the Costume Institute's 2027 exhibition and will be celebrated with his very own Met Gala. Galliano's biographer Dana Thomas — author of Gods and Kings, a dual biography about Galliano and Alexander McQueen — joins the show to talk about what this means. Amy and Dana recap Galliano's fall from grace and image rehabilitation — thanks to Anna Wintour.
This is a free preview. Hear the full conversation — a detailed recap of the controversy, the apology Galliano never made, and Amy's take on whether the Met should honor him — in the full episode in Back Row Premium.
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Aug 4
8 min
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