In this episode Zac and Levi talk about what it is like as a programmer and as a writer to try to work from different mental spaces. They talk about the effects different kinds of moods can have on the process of work as well as the product of it. They also discuss how some of those moods can be used as motivation and what the dangers are of that.

While Zac has been in the writing industry for a few years now Levi is just getting into coding. As he's discovering the new sayings and slogans about his industry Zac and Levi compare the advice for new writers and new coders and talk about the industries relationship to communication and life in general.

Zac, a writer, and Levi, a coder, talk about how the two which seem to be very unlike each other are actually similar. They discuss the process they use to come to the keyboard, as well as some of the things they have had to identify about themselves to start finding their way into their work.