Great conversation with Jeff Woods, who has been experiencing  Ukraine, Russia, and other Black Sea outposts since the early 90s. As  the rest of us are pivoting from being experts on virology to experts on  global politics and war, Jeff is already there. He has been following  post Cold War politics and war since the fall of the Soviet Union. His  take is better than most. He was able to join us from a ship floating in  an undisclosed location in the vicinity of Norway.

Sources mentioned in this episode:

Michael McFaul twitter: @McFaul

Malcolm Nance twitter: @MalcolmNance

Natasha Bertrand twitter: @NatashaBertrand

John Sipher twitter: @john_sipher

Tom Nichols twitter: @RadioFreeTom

Nina Jankowicz twitter: @wiczipediaAuthor

Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom (Netflix documentary)

Occupied (Netflix fictional series about a Russian "invasion" of Norway)