Whatever Comes Next  with Tom Osman
Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman
Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes
On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com
Episode 161: Maciej Werk (Soundedit, Hedone)
This month, from the 23rd-27th of October, Łódź, Poland will host the 18th edition of Soundedit—an international festival “dedicated entirely to the art and technology of music production”. Combining workshops, pro-audio events, live shows and Q&As, this year’s event features appearances from Marc Almond (Soft Cell), producer Howie B (UK, Björk), Hugh Cornwell (The Stranglers) and Wolfgang Flür (Kraftwerk).In 2026 Soundedit also celebrates 50 years of punk rock, culminating with the festival’s regular Man with the Golden Ear award—to be presented to Iggy Pop, producer Bogdan Kondradcki and Polish punk musician Ziemowit Kosmowski (Brak, Rendez-Vous). Behind all of this is the festival’s founder—musician, producer and radio broadcaster Maciej Werk—and there’s far too much history and too many potential stories and anecdotes for us to fit into one hour-long conversation, but we’ll give it a go. We discuss the festival, its origins, this year’s lineup, Werk’s band Hedone, his story in the music world, tales of music fandom behind the Iron Curtain and plenty more. Visit Soundedit.pl for info, tickets and schedule. Hedone on YouTube. Thanks to Dom at 3nationFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Oct 7
54 min
Episode 160: Moni Jitchell
Moni Jitchell is drummer and vocalist Grant Donaldson and guitarist David Scott and the music they make is a noisy, panic-inducing rock or post-hardcore that wouldn’t feel much out of place on 3 One G, amongst bands like The Locust, Arab On Radar and Guck (see WCN episode 94). The 23rd of October will see the duo release their latest album AWARE and by golly you can bet your bottom dollar that that’s exactly what we’re talking about in this here attached conversation—as well as the project’s origins, on-stage mishaps and funding for musicians in Scotland. Visit Moni Jitchell on bandcamp for pre-orders, to listen to singles, live dates and links. Thanks to Justine at Since Always Press. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Sep 30
1 hr 1 min
Episode 159: Percy Howard and Richard Kazanjian (nûs)
In the mid 1990s Sacramento four-piece nûs released two albums of cinematic alternative rock (both notably being produced by Bill Laswell) in relatively quick succession, before just as quickly disappearing into the ether—from whence their music sounds like it came from. Almost 30 years later founding members Percy Howard, Stephen Sullivan and Richard Kazanjian (plus Stephen’s son Sean on drums) make a wonderful return with their exquisite new record shapes of longing (out October 15th on Third Star Records). So where have they been all this time? Well, singer Percy and bassist Richard are kind enough to join me and tell all.nûs will be having an album release party in Sacramento next month. Of the show the band writes:Saturday, October 24th, at Two Rivers Cider, will be an amazing evening, with food, drink, music, storytelling, and lovely night of connection! Join us as we celebrate the release of our latest album “Shapes of Longing”! Recorded at the incredible 25th Street Recording Studio in Oakland, CA. Engineered by the extraordinarily talented Gabriel Shepard. Mixed by 11 time Grammy winning Producer, Joe Chiccarelli (the White Stripes, the Strokes, U2, Beck, Elton John, the Killers, Morrissey, Weezer), and Mastered by 26 time Grammy winner Howie Weinberg (too many to list). Guest players include: John Ettinger on Violin, Jack Perla on Piano, David Boyce (Broun Fellinis) on Saxophone, Natalie Carols on Vocals, and Vince DiFiore (Cake) on Trumpet.Joining nûs to perform will be John Ettinger on violin, and Nathan Kingham on Keyboards, both incredible musicians and part of the nûs family.In addition to this being a FREE show, we’ll also be gifting CD’s to those who attend!7:00 start time. No opening act. A “night with nûs”. We’ll be playing the album in its entirety, as well as some legacy tracks, some reimagines, some requested, and maybe some future tracks! We’ll see you Saturday October 24th @ Two Rivers. As well as discussing shapes of longing, some stories from the band’s early days and the time between, we also touch on some of Percy’s past collaborations, including with one Eugene S. Robinson—former guest on this podcast, alongside BUÑUEL guitarist Xabier Iriondo on episode 82.Some of you will be aware that Eugene suffered a stroke back in July. His wife Kasia Robinson started a gofundme campaign to raise money to help fund Eugene’s ongoing rehabilitation. I’m sure any donation would be gratefully received. You can find that here. Thanks to Dan at Discipline PR for setting up the interview.Photo credit: Cassandra Foster. shapes of longing on bandcamp. For all things nûs visit nusartmedia.com.For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Sep 24
1 hr 6 min
Episode 158: David Caress
If the name Dallas Seger is familiar to you, it might be through his role as owner/luthier of custom-guitar specialists Seger Guitars, based in Bangor Maine. You might also know Dallas from his rock-and-metal-straddling project Manic Abraxas (and you can check out my interview with Dallas and Justin Hamm discussing that project on episode 35 of this podcast). Azure, the debut album under Dallas’ new moniker David Caress sounds frankly nothing like Manic Abraxas. Certainly, there are guitars, but this is not some virtuosic, Yngwie Malmsteen noodle-fest. Azure is rather a cold, but beautiful, post-punk-inspired release with sonic terrain evoking bands like Depeche Mode, Joy Division and The Cure—on top of which Dallas (or David, if you prefer!) weaves his beguiling guitar melodies. Mostly performed and recorded by Dallas himself, Azure was mixed and mastered by Steve Austin (of Today Is The Day) in his Austin Enterprise studio and I was delighted to get the chance to hear all about the creation of the album, which will be released digitally on the 9th of October. Meanwhile please enjoy this conversation with David (I mean Dallas!). Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR. Photos by Michael Hallahan. David Caress on bandcamp. Visit Seger GuitarsVisit Austin EnterprisesFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Sep 16
38 min
Episode 157: Jack Natz (EXP, Cop Shoot Cop)
EXP is the latest musical project of underground, rock n’ roll veteran Jack Natz (alongside his wife, visual artist and musician A.E. Csaky). Together, with a host of guests, friends and former collaborators (like Swans and former Cop Shoot Cop percussionist Phil Puleo) the pair last week released their debut, self-titled record on Reptilian Records.Recorded at the legendary BC Studio in Gowanus, Brooklyn, NYC with Martin Bisi (who I interviewed for episode 149 of Whatever Comes Next and for a forthcoming New Noise Magazine column feature); EXP is as quirky and off-kilter as you would hope. I was excited to talk to Jack Natz about the record and some of his long, fascinating history in music and beyond. So that’s what we did and here it is. I hope you will enjoy.Buy the album on Reptilian RecordsListen on bandcampThanks to Dave at Earsplit PRFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Sep 10
41 min
Episode 156: -ii- [Two Eyes]
This Friday, the 4th of September is World Sexual Health Day, a day that French electro-industrial act -ii- have consciously chosen to unveil their latest record Ars Erotica : Volume I—a record in which they, as they put it “are adopting a "sexpo" approach, viewing sexuality as a form of positive expression and an enriching experience, while liberating bodies and minds from the dictates of patriarchy and capitalism.”The French duo of Hélène Ruzic and Benjamin Racine joined me last year on Episode 102 of the podcast to discuss their previous record Apostles of the Flesh, on which the pair brought in various collaborators. On Ars Erotica : Volume I they revert back to working just the two of them and that is what the three of us are here to discuss. Photos: Benjamin RacineBuy Ars Erotica: Volume 1 on bandcampFollow -ii- on InstagramFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Sep 2
34 min
Episode 155: mr.phylzzz
Chicago, Illinois’ mr.phylzzz (that’s pronounced Mr. Flies, by the way) don’t play by your rules… or their rules, or anyone else’s rules really. Created ten years ago by guitarist and vocalist (and former comedian) Clinton Jacob as an outlet for wacky and humorous musical tomfoolery, mr.phylzzz will do as mr.phylzzz does. With Danny Sein on drums completing the lineup, mr.phylzzz release their latest album Fear the Lord on the 4th of September on legendary underground label Amphetamine Reptile.Join us as we discuss the forthcoming record, working with AmRep owner Tom Hazelmyer, crows, comedy, the duo’s forthcoming tour and peanut butter. Visit mr.phylzzz.com and check out all upcoming tour datesmr.phylzzz on bandcampPhoto: Madison Rease Thanks to Curran at The ChainFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Aug 26
54 min
Episode 154: Michael “Kidd Funkadelic” Hampton
While the surreal, psychedelic funk-rock world of George Clinton and his main musical outlets Parliament and Funkadelic isn’t exactly a story of the DIY underground it’s certainly one outside of the mainstream—with an influence that stretches everywhere from hip-hop to Dutch blackened post-punk (see Amsterdam’s Ainsoph covering “Maggot Brain”). Guitarist Michael “Kidd Funkadelic” Hampton found himself a part of that world back in the mid-70s as a precocious and impressionable teenager. With Hampton recently releasing his latest mini-album King Kong (Sound Mind Records/ Lightyear/ Virgin Records/UMG) the guitarist joins me to discuss his latest recordings, tales of wild times recording and performing in the George Clinton universe, plus some of the other many musical projects he’s been involved with over the years with notable names such as Bootsy Collins, Afrika Bambaataa, Bill Laswell and Dean Ween.Album art: Philip SmithThanks to Howard at Howlin WuelfBuy and stream King KongMichael Hampton on InstagramFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Aug 21
51 min
Episode 153: Greg Wilkinson (Deathgrave)
When not operating Oakland, California’s Earhammer Studio (and working with bands like Necrot, High On Fire and Ulthar), Greg Wilkinson makes his own extreme music.These days Wilkinson’s multiple active bands include death-metal unit Static Abyss, legendary gore enthusiasts Autopsy (who Wilkinson joined the ranks of in recent years) and punk-grind-metal concoction Deathgrave—whose latest record Hell Is Evil comes out on Tankcrimes on the 21st of August. Wilkinson joins me to discuss the latest record, the band, his work behind the desk and his part in the Autopsy story. Band photo: Matthew KadiAlbum art: Max Rain Thanks to Liz at Earsplit PRBuy Hell Is Evil from Tankcrimes and bandcampFollow Deathgrave on InstagramAutopsyStatic AbyssNew Static Abyss album The Dying HuntFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Aug 12
49 min
Episode 152: Mark Solotroff (Anatomy of Habit)
The musical world of Chicago’s Mark Solotroff goes back to the mid 80s with power-electronics group Intrinsic Action, includes the controlled chaos of BLOODYMINDED and finds us in the present moment with the doom-infused post-punk five-piece Anatomy of Habit releasing their fifth album Paired Sentinels—with Solotroff, as always, at the helm. It’s been a long and winding path for Anatomy of Habit since their 2008 origins, with lineup changes, a brief stint on Relapse Records and the global pandemic punching a whole in the band’s momentum (as with that of most who lived through it). But you can’t keep a good, dark spirit down. And so we are here to celebrate Paired Sentinels, discuss its creation, the striking artwork by Jeff Gibson, the history of the band—as well as some of Solotroff’s other projects and inspirations. Thanks to Liz at Earsplit PRBuy Paired SentinelsAnatomy of HabitMark SolotroffFor more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The UndergroundCheck out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠My music on AmpwallPodcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job KidIntro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com
Aug 5
1 hr 6 min
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