***TRIGGER WARNING: This episode includes discussions of addiction, depression, and self-harm.*** Jeff had surgery, and Meka went to Barcelona.  Overdose is claiming a lot of lives, and so is the stigma surrounding mental health. Later we lighten things up by discussing True Blood and The Breaker Upperers.

Meka is back from doing stand-up in L.A. and Cleveland. Jeff explains the concept of "the rope ladder." Later, they discuss White Lotus, Jennifer Coolidge, and Ashlee Simpson.

Meka & Jeff talk about how the podcast came to be.  Then Jeff tells his coming out story on its 10th anniversary.  Later Meka & Jeff discuss Kim's Convenience and all thing Marvel.

Announcing the premiere of We're Done Here, an emotional wellness/comedy podcast.