Welcome back to Baxter Building, the podcast reading through the first 416 issues of the Fantastic Four! Today, Graeme McMillan and Jeff Lester talk about the issues 13-24 plus the first Fantastic Four Annual, all by Jack Kirby and Stan Lee, with much discussion of The Sub-Mariner as anti-hero, the perfection that is the Red Ghost and his Super-Apes, and much more. Show notes eagerly await you at waitwhatpodcast.com, we welcome your comments and questions at [email protected], and we invite you to look out for us on Twitter, Tumblr, and Patreon!