As as student Susan Blackmore had an out-of-body experience that convinced her of the paranormal. However, after years of research, she came to the conclusion that such experiences are a purely brain phenomenon and not evidence of anything supernatural. Her new book 'Seeing Myself: the new science of out-of-body experiences' tells her story.

She debates the issues with Graham Nicholls, author of 'Navigating the Out of Body Experience: Radical New Techniques'. A a researcher in the field, he claims to have had many out of body experiences which were objectively verified through seeing things he could not possibly have known otherwise.

For Susan Blackmore: https://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/ 

For Graham Nicholls: http://www.grahamnicholls.com 

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