Ann gets curious about Kim’s recent swing of emotion and the recoding of mindsets that needs time to return to a ventral state.

A conversation on leadership, taking a look at the beautiful things your mind is capable of doing. Long episodes, short episodes. Observations, meditations, conversations. Guests pushing past their barriers to create a truly beautiful, hopeful world as leaders.

Ann de Passos is an Organisational Development Expert and Coach passionate about social change. Kim van Niekerk is a leadership coach specialising in mindsets and building human cultures at work.