Ann gets curious about Kim’s recent swing of emotion and the recoding of mindsets that needs time to return to a ventral state.

Jill Granville - exploring personal growth and our nervous system responses

Ann de Passos and Kim van Niekerk on leadership and the impact of the state you lead from. Conversations about pressure, presence, burnout, and what becomes available when the nervous system isn't managing threat. Sometimes just us. Sometimes sharing space with a leader who knows the terrain.

Music by Anastasia Chubarova.

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