Ann and Kim compare life as a leader with the Beech tree and how we set boundaries to self preserve.

The Downfalls of Making Someone Wrong - The Upside of Embracing Others Beliefs

Ann de Passos and Kim van Niekerk on leadership and the impact of the state you lead from. Conversations about pressure, presence, burnout, and what becomes available when the nervous system isn't managing threat. Sometimes just us. Sometimes sharing space with a leader who knows the terrain.

Music by Anastasia Chubarova.

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