When you’re playing a game with someone who doesn’t play by the rules…who doesn’t play by any rules….who doesn’t even really want to win the game….who simply wants to game to go on and on…well, you can’t win. That’s how disinformation works, says today’s guest on the Red Tape Chronicles podcast. Alex Shepherd is an artificial intelligence researcher based in the UK. 

Nick Monaco is Research Director of the Digital Intelligence Lab at the Institute for the Future, and he's been studying digital disinformation for a long time. He just co-authored a new report about Taiwan's recent election -- which saw Chinese cyberarmies hired for as little as $330 a month work furiously to help a candidate favored by the Chinese Communist Party.

The United States and many venerated European democracies are well on their way to becoming “a fact-free version of Democracy Lite,” warns today’s podcast guest, Nina Jankowicz. She’s the ‘disinformation fellow’ at the Wilson Center in Washington D.C., and she has a new book out called How to Lose the Information War: Russia, Fake News and the Future of Conflict.