Tom grills Andy about being a commercial fishing Captain. 

This was recorded spring of 2020, but never got uploaded. 

A conversation all over the map.

But we get into conversations about how farmers feed people, and how too many people are removed form their supply chains that support our existence and lives. 

We are living as we do because of natural resource and manufacturing industries that feed us, build the things we use, and yet, we talk about those who create this stuff as if they are uneducated, the menial jobs.

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