In this episode, Bard MBA student Eric Sargent interviews John Edel, founder and director of Bubbly Dynamics, about transforming derelict Chicago industrial buildings into closed-loop ecosystems for small businesses. John shares the story behind The Plant, a former meatpacking facility now home to 25 food producers, brewers, urban farmers, and manufacturers who share resources, waste streams, and community. He discusses industrial symbiosis, adaptive reuse, and slow money financing, and explains how Bubbly Dynamics proves that responsible, community-centered industrial redevelopment can be financially viable.