The Hansel and Gretel Code
The Hansel and Gretel Code
Curtis Cates, MD
forget any "moral of the story," the real meaning of Hansel and Gretel lies hidden between the lines... like a real-life Da Vinci Code — Hansel and Gretel is a literary treasure map filled with secret clues meant only for people like us to suss out and follow... clues that lead to a meaningful, real-life treasure that's been lost for over 200 years... a deep dive into the dark forest of Western European History and Culture, the story explains who the real villains are, how they're still with us, and how they're not only people we've heard of or read about — some of them are people we actually know... in the Hansel and Gretel Code, we'll be reading from the 1810 manuscript version of the story and we'll be examining the many, multi-faceted clues that are packed into each of its 42 sentences... clues that will not only entertain the hell out of you, they'll change the way you see the world and everyone in it... this is the podcast for anyone who loves fairytales, and who'd love to figure out what they really mean... come along with as we explore the metaphoric space between the lines of Hansel and Gretel's forest and I guarantee you're going to learn how to read fairytale clues like this for yourself... if you're game, follow the Hansel and Gretel Code on whatever app floats your boat, and visit the website for links, transcripts and plenty of extra surprises along the way... https://betweenthelines.xyz/hgcode-podcast
Dostoyevsky meets Frau Holzhacker, or: Creativity’s a bitch, man
The kids make their way back home, anachronisms abound, and cultures shift as Norman Mailer, Marshall McLuhan, and Ben Johnson kick off our wholly irreverent proceedings...Part 1 [06:35] - In which we put the hermetic seal of approval on the Light of the Silvery Moon.Part 2 [19:57] - In which we do some dream work, and get creative with pizza dough and a bowl of alphabet soup. Then, somebody turns on the light and totally spoils the romantic mood.Part 3 [50:45] - In which we run into a coupla’ few anachronisms: Dostoyevsky meets Jesse Helms, Mad Libs goes Medieval, and Pope Leo meets Rod Blagojevich, the ex-governor of Illinois.Part 4 [1:11:22] - In which Steven Pinker fixes everything, Frau Holzhacker tells the truth, and Billy Graham does some preaching to the choir. We also decide we’re not workaholics, and get ourselves ready to hit the fast forward button.*Music and Sound credits for this episode (44) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*Chapter Titles, and extra material (auf Deutsch) read by Anna Jacobsen**Original Fairytale text (manuscript version auf Deutsch) read by Jürgen Lexow * *English translation of the original manuscript version read by Nicole Warner***Librivox recording of Hänsel und Gretel (final version auf Deutsch) read by Stephan Gambke***Librivox recording of Hansel and Gretel (final version in English) read by Deborah Knight**check out John Giannini’s excellent book on Jungian Typology - Compass of the SoulThe Scientific Method - wiki pageThe Carmina Burana - wiki pageThe Gospel According to the Mark of Silver - wiki page
Feb 17
1 hr 28 min
Does the pope shit in the woods? or: 🎵 Are you Experienced? 🎵
we finally get the bottom-line scoop on Gretel’s crying jags, and answer the 2 burning questions of Western Culture and Civilization over a couple of hot pastrami on ciabatasPART 1 [03:24]In which we find a deep and abiding connection between The Stooges and mysticism, and ask the burning question of Western Culture and Civilization: Is it okay to wear socks with sandals?PART 2 [21:49]In which we figure out exactly why ayahuasca tourism is boomingPART 3 [39:59]In which we start filling in Gretel’s backstory over a couple of hot pastrami sandwiches, and can’t help but notice that somebody is constantly mopping the floorsPART 4 [58:38]In which we do some Provençal provenance proofing, make a gratuitous reference to Taxicab Confessions, and ask that other major question of Western Culture and Civilization: Does the pope shit in the woods?PART 5 [1:16:42]In which we learn that a mystic is a mystic is a mystic, and realize that a cynic is a cynic is a cynicPART 6 [1:31:25]In which we combine ciabata and cardiology in a zen koan and end up with the definitive definition of grace*transcripts and links for each episode are available at: betweenthelines.xyz*Chapter Titles, and extra material (auf Deutsch) read by Anna Jacobsen**Original German Fairytale text (manuscript version) read by Jürgen Lexow * *English translation of the 1819 snippet read by Nicole Warner* *Laboratorio Artigianale di Fandonie recording of Nennillo e Nennella (in Neapolitan dialect) read by Domenico D'Agostino***Librivox recording of Nennello and Nennella (in English) read by Joy Chan**Music and Sound credits for this episode (43) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*got a question… or just wanna say hi…? Talk to me…Wanna support the show, support your own Intuition, and eventually help speed up the production process...? Buy me a coffee or a beer @ ko-fi.com Thanks! 
Oct 21, 2025
1 hr 55 min
The Revenge of the Grimms, or: An Episode That’s Best Served Cold
In this episode we dish on the Grimm’s secret obsession with revenge, and solve the mystery of the stepmother switcheroo once and for allPART 1 [04:32] - In which we learn that the Grimms are running a blue light special on sexual reassignment surgeryPART 2 [11:54] - In which we read a troubling bible story, repeat a cliché that’s anything but woke, and come across more famous last words that aren’t last wordsPART 3 [21:16] - In which we peek into someone’s diary and find plenty of insults, grudges, hearsay, vulgarity, and petty peevish gossip PART 4 [32:28] - In which we find the Grimms in Latin class, congratulating themselves on being the class clownsPART 5 [41:29] - In which we find a bag full of jelly donuts, visit a gigantic, romantic library, and finally put a bow on these last 4 episodes of politics as usual*transcripts and links for each episode are available at: betweenthelines.xyz*Chapter Titles, and extra material (auf Deutsch) read by Anna Jacobsen**Original German Fairytale text (manuscript version) read by Jürgen Lexow *  *Librivox recording of Hänsel und Gretel (auf Deutsch) read by Stephan Gambke**Librivox recording of Hansel and Gretel (in English) read by Bob Neufeld**Music and Sound credits for this episode (42) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*got a question… or just wanna say hi…? Talk to me…If you'd like to support the show, support your own Intuition, and eventually help speed up the production process you can buy me a coffee or a beer @ ko-fi.com Thanks! 
Jun 2, 2025
59 min
The Grimms Meet a Bond Villain, or Game of Dominos
The Grimm brothers challenge Goldfinger to a high stakes game of dominos. Nobody wins but somebody orders a pineapple pizza and history starts repeating itself. Dominos fall, Richie Havens sings, and the Grimm boys show their true color(s)PART 1 [03:51] In which we quote some experts, and boldly go where none of them have gone beforePART 2 [08:17] In which we start counting dominos, while the Grimms become migrant workers and ex-patsPART 3 [20:53] In which we name a few more falling dominos, and make a necessary political comparison because history just keeps repeating itselfPART 4 [33:23] In which we watch the final seven dominos fall and, after a leak, see them go viralPART 5 [41:29] In which we find the brothers locked into an epic battle with a Bond villain, armed only with a feather pen and invisible ink*transcripts and links for each episode are available at: betweenthelines.xyz*Chapter Titles, 1819 version, and Grimms’ Preface material read by Anna Jacobsen**Music and Sound credits for this episode (41) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*got a question… or just wanna say hi…? Talk to me…If you'd like to support the show, support your own Intuition, and eventually help speed up the production process you can buy me a coffee or a beer @ ko-fi.com Thanks! 
May 10, 2025
1 hr 2 min
Hans and Franz meet Fritzi-Willi, or it’s Party Time, Biatches!
In Ep.40 the Grimms try making literary magic and pull everything but the kitchen sink out of their, um, hats. Consider it an act of Bogus Pocus. Part 1 [02:38] - In which we complain about the Grimms’ complaining, but then we cut to the chase, and name the guy who got their peppers hot in the first place... we also introduce his wife — who was known to be pretty hot stuff herselfPart 2 [13:35] - In which we visit a famous gym, a famous palace, a famous promise, and some famous last wordsPart 3 [37:46] - In which we get the inside scoop on a blockbuster real estate deal, make a gratuitous connection between Hell’s Kitchen and Dragnet, and an equally gratuitous reference to German fraternity hijinks Part 4 [53:03] - In which J. Edgar Hoover, Henry Kissinger, Steve Bannon, Richard J. Daley, and George Wallace walk into a bar, and order hardboiled eggs. 500 students try walking in the opposite direction.Part 5 [1:02:35] - In which we prove that Wilhelm Grimm tried to write the German version of War and Peace, and cram it all into one single wordPart 6 [1:13:23] - In which we follow the Grimms to Charley’s Bath House for a little schvitz, a lotta fake news, and a major switch to channel 13, er I mean Article 13, and our next 2 episodes*transcripts and links for each episode are available at: betweenthelines.xyz*Chapter Titles, 1819 version, and Grimms’ Preface material read by Anna Jacobsen**Original German Fairytale text read by Jürgen Lexow**English translation of the 1819 snippet read by Nicole Warner**Librivox recording of Hänsel and Gretel (auf Deutsch) (1840 version) read by Stephan Gambke**Librivox recording of Hansel and Gretel (in English) (1840 version) read by Deborah Knight**Music and Sound credits for this episode (40) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*got a question… or just wanna say hi…? Talk to me…If you'd like to support the show, support your own Intuition, and eventually help speed up the production process you can buy me a coffee or a beer @ ko-fi.com Thanks! 
Apr 15, 2025
1 hr 29 min
The Eternal Wisdom of Virgil Sollozzo, or: How to Make a Killing in Real Estate. Alotta Killing.
In Ep.39 the Grimms write a clunky, cranky op-ed piece and raise the ghost of Virgil SollozzoPart 1 [11:16] - In which we find the Grimms embellishing the truth, and sneaking some personal complaints into the story… complaints that only you and I were supposed to hearPart 2 [17:58] - In which we debate the meaning of belief in turtles and end up with too many hot dogs and politics as usualPart 3 [30:55] - In which we find the N-Word carved into that tree branch thingy: NAPOLEON *transcripts and links for each episode are available at: betweenthelines.xyz*Chapter Titles, 1819 version, and Grimms’ Preface material read by Anna Jacobsen**Original German Fairytale text read by Jürgen Lexow**English translation of the manuscript read by Nicole Warner**Music and Sound credits for this episode (39) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*got a question… or just wanna say hi…? Talk to me…If you'd like to support the show, support your own Intuition, and eventually help speed up the production process you can buy me a coffee or a beer @ ko-fi.com Thanks! 
Mar 3, 2025
59 min
All You Need Is Love, Right?
In Ep. 38 we learn a new catchphrase, there's more talk about baked goods, and the Grimms pitch us a few balls and strikesPart 1 [04:49] - In which we do some clock watching, and try to guess what’s really being sold in the Vatican bakery shopPart 2 [14:44] - In which we repeat ourselves, and hear something very scary, and very new, and very scary, and very newPart 3 [24:09] - In which we discover that the Grimms are ritual elders, and that they’ve absconded with GodPart 4 [38:41] - In which we discover the connection between Martin Luther, Walt Whitman, and the Beatles*transcripts and links for each episode are available at: betweenthelines.xyz*Chapter Titles read by Anna Jacobsen**Original German Fairytale text read by Jürgen Lexow**English translation of the manuscript read by Nicole Warner**Music and Sound credits for this episode (36) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*got a question… or just wanna say hi…? Talk to me…If you'd like to support the show, support your own Intuition, and eventually help speed up the production process you can buy me a coffee or a beer @ ko-fi.com Thanks! 
Jul 19, 2024
49 min
The Check's in the Mail, or: Wake the F*** Up!
In Ep.37 we smell something fishy, meet a member of the Illuminati, and discover the source of the famous imposter syndrome Part 1 [07:37] - In which we're told: the check's in the mailPart 2 [26:59] - In which we hear a dead German poet talking poetry, and a dead German philosopher talking smack... we have reason to mention the Illuminati, and a Facebook group that pre-dates Facebook. Hell, we even have time for a little poetry cornerPart 3 [59:32] - In which we find out that instead of a bedtime story, Hansel and Gretel is more like the Book of Job: a wake-up call of biblical proportion*transcripts and links for each episode are available at: betweenthelines.xyz*Chapter Titles read by Anna Jacobsen**Original German Fairytale text read by Jürgen Lexow**English translation of the manuscript read by Nicole Warner**Music and Sound credits for this episode (36) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*got a question… or just wanna say hi…? Talk to me…If you'd like to support the show, support your own Intuition, and eventually help speed up the production process you can buy me a coffee or a beer @ ko-fi.com Thanks! 
Jun 3, 2024
1 hr 14 min
C'mon Baby, Light My Fire
In Ep.36 we rub some sticks together, light a campfire, and roast some heretical marshmallows Part 1 [07:07] - In which we learn why Ed Sullivan didn’t want Jim Morrison singing his full-throat version of Light my Fire on live TV Part 2 [26:44] - In which Rudolph the Red-Nosed reindeer shows up on New Year’s Eve and separates the party goers from the party poopers Part 3 [37:35] - In which we stumble upon a campfire of biblical proportion.  Believe me, we’re talking BIG here. This thing is huge.*transcripts and links for each episode are available at: betweenthelines.xyz*Chapter Titles read by Anna Jacobsen**Original German Fairytale text read by Jürgen Lexow **Librivox recording of Hänsel and Gretel (auf Deutsch) read by Stephan Gambke**Librivox recording of Hansel and Gretel (in English) read by Deborah Knight**Music and Sound credits for this episode (36) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*got a question… or just wanna say hi…? Talk to me… If you'd like to support the show, support your own Intuition, and eventually help speed up the production process you can buy me a coffee or a beer @ ko-fi.com Thanks! 
Mar 20, 2024
1 hr 2 min
Thank Goddess it's Friday!!!
In Ep.35 we let the cat out of the bag, and Hansel gets a lesson in the missionary positionPart 1 [08:28] - In which we let the cat out of the bag, give her a nice old Nordic name, and before you know it, hooray, it’s Friday!Part 2 [33:27] - In which we discuss the missionary position on Easter Sunday, and discover a funky medieval connection between pewter dishes and the genius behind Blade Runner*transcripts and links for each episode are available at: betweenthelines.xyz*Chapter Titles read by Anna Jacobsen**Original German Fairytale text read by Jürgen Lexow **Music and Sound credits for this episode (35) are — as usual — SUPER-extensive and can be found on the website @ betweenthelines.xyz*special thanks to freesound.org for nearly all of kristo's awesome peanut gallery voices...*got a question… or just wanna say hi…? Talk to me…If you'd like to support the show, support your own Intuition, and eventually help speed up the production process you can buy me a coffee or a beer @ ko-fi.com Thanks! 
Nov 8, 2023
50 min
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