12:51] but then... drum roll please... Superstar guest Alex Dixon joins the chaps to discuss non-profit casinos in North America. Alex is the CEO at DRA, based in Dubuque, Iowa, and he's part of an organisation making this a reality [12:52 - 01:11:03]. It's a brilliant concept, and it's going to catch on, we reckon. We also talk about DE&I and Alex's capitalist take on that will have everyone wondering why they haven't embraced it already. Alex blew us away, we think it's a great episode and you'll all be fans by the end of it too.