The Fourth Curtain
The Fourth Curtain
Alexander Seropian & Aaron Marroquin
A GUIDED TOUR OF VIDEOGAME MAKERY! Hosts Alex Seropian (founder Bungie, Wideload, Industrial Toys) and Aaron Marroquin (Art Director, Game Designer, part time magician) take you on a tour of the minds that create our favorite video games. We may also wander around in our own heads too. We aim to inspire, educate and entertain you about the games you love, the people that make them and hey, if you're not a gamer we know you know one. This will help you connect with them too.
You Don't Know Jack's Mike Bilder Laughs Out Loud
If your hilarious party game is laced with snark you know the work of this week's guest, Jackbox CEO Mike Bilder. One of the legion of the Midway diaspora, he saw the transition from coin-op to console. We discuss drive vs crunch, streaming platforms, and the human touch - this week! TIMESTAMPS [0:04:38] Intro: Mike Bilder [0:06:25] From Learn Television to Jackbox: The Full Company History Mike explains Jackbox’s origin story; he traces it from Jellyvision to You Don't Know Jack to Jackbox G...
Jun 25
1 hr 14 min
It's Raining Technology with Nexon's Owen Mahoney
We have an insight-packed and hopeful discussion with Owen Mahoney, CEO of Maplestory's Nexon. This Choplifter fan went on to acquire JAMDAT and DICE for EA, then saw the future with Embark. We discuss forever games, where stories come from and the huge growth coming - this week! TIMESTAMPS [0:00:00] Intro: Owen Mahoney [0:10:22] Medium shifts favor beginners Owen explains why every major technology shift benefits newcomers. [0:19:33] An “unusual background” Owen describes his and Nexon’s “un...
Jun 11
1 hr 13 min
The Guts of Indie with Animal Well's Billy Basso
We're hyped to talk secrets with Billy Basso, creator of the award-winning smash Animal Well. Beginning with educational and medical games he went on to solo develop Animal Well, which delivers a huge game in less than 40 MB. Surgery, celebrity and an ARG - this week! TIMESTAMPS [0:00:00] Intro: Billy Basso An introduction to Billy Basso, developer of Animal Well. [0:07:54] Choosing film school over game dev Billy reveals he went to film school because he "deep down wanted to make video games...
May 28
1 hr 21 min
Patrick Söderlund and the Raiders of the Arc
We kick off Season 4 with Patrick Söderlund, CEO/founder of Embark Studios and maker of the hit Arc Raiders. Former head of DICE and Battlefield at EA, he found faster ways to build. We discuss owing the community, AI, and incredible value - this week! [00:00:00] Intro: Patrick Söderlund [00:13:23] The recipe for games people want to play Patrick explains that the core motivation isn't money, it's finding the recipe that makes people want to come back. He'd go stand in midnight launch l...
May 14
1 hr 24 min
We Open the Curtain on Season Fourth
Our intrepid hosts provide a prologue to the fourth season of the podcast with a wide-ranging conversation on the state of the videogame industry. With appreciation for GDC, Resident Evil 9 and Phil Spencer, they also talk (of course) AI and signs we may finally be exiting the trough - this week! Support the show Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life! Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin Find us at www.thefourthcu...
Apr 30
38 min
Grade Expectations 2025
For our end of year episode Aaron and Alex reflect on the year and a raft of topics in videogame dev: Steam Deck vs Switch, understanding how AI will work for dev, Netflix's place and "successful to nice" ratios! Devils and Dungeonauts within - this week! Support the show Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life! Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin Find us at www.thefourthcurtain.com Join our Patreon for early, ad-f...
Dec 18, 2025
46 min
Live Long and Prosper with Amazon's Christoph Hartmann
VP of Amazon Games Christoph Hartmann is our guest. At BMG he helped launch GTA and went on to co-found 2K Games and publish NBA 2K, Civilization, Bioshock and Borderlands. We discuss the upcoming King of Meat, a very fresh take on how AI can help gamedev and more - this week! Episode Highlights [00:00:00] Intro: Christoph Hartmann [00:20:32] From Music to Games: Christoph’s First Break at BMG Christoph shares how his early exposure to computers led to an internship at BMG Interactive — a mov...
Oct 16, 2025
1 hr 22 min
Trip Hawkins, the Electronic Artist
We're thrilled to speak with Trip Hawkins, founder and CEO EA, 3DO, Digital Chocolate and more. From childhood football strategy, to WWIII Sims, he grew to make a company of electronic artists who made legendary games. Calming Steve Jobs, hacking consoles and many firsts - this week! Episode Highlights [00:00:00] Celebrating 100 Episodes and a Wild Week for EA Alex and Aaron mark The Fourth Curtain’s 100th episode and react to the breaking news that Electronic Arts is being taken private. [0...
Oct 9, 2025
1 hr 29 min
Ghost of Yotei's Mud Blood and Steel, with Sucker Punch
It's a one-two move with Sucker Punch's Chris Zimmerman and Brian Fleming. Now shipping Ghost of Yotei, they tell us about leaving Microsoft for Sony and becoming a gamedev powerhouse. Tales of exact pitches and being great instead of good - this week! Episode Highlights [00:00:00] Intro: Chris Zimmerman & Brian Fleming of Sucker Punch Productions An introduction to Chris and Brian, co-founders of Sucker Punch Productions (Sly Cooper, Infamous, Ghost of Tsushima). [00:08:23] “Name it Anyt...
Oct 2, 2025
1 hr 16 min
The Origin Stories of Elder Scrolls' Paul Sage
We get an inside look this week from Paul Sage, founder and CEO of Ruckus Games. Inspired by Ultima 3, he worked his way up to lead designer of Ultima Online, to Borderlands 3 and more. Now working on a new project at Ruckus, we talk LEDs to 2600, Multima and when players outsmart you - this week! This week's episode contains mentions of suicide. Viewer discretion is advised. Episode Highlights [00:00:00] Intro: Meet Paul Sage [00:09:15] Founding Ruckus Games: Origins of the Studio an...
Sep 4, 2025
1 hr 13 min
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