
Why do dreams matter, and how can we use them to support waking life? In this episode of The Dream Journal, host Katherine Bell speaks with Canadian author and health journalist Karen Van Kampen about her book The Brain Never Sleeps: Why We Dream and What It Means for Our Health. Together they explore dream science, memory, mental health, dream sharing, nightmare rescripting, dream engineering, lucid dreaming research, and the emerging study of anesthesia dreams as potentially healing experiences.
Karen shares how childhood experiences in her father’s sleep lab shaped her fascination with dreaming, why dreams may act like a “highlight reel” of waking concerns, and how practices such as dream journaling, dream salons, and imagery rehearsal therapy can help us engage dreams with curiosity and care. The conversation also looks at cutting-edge research on guiding dreams, communicating with lucid dreamers, and the possibility that anesthesia dreams may help people revisit difficult memories in a calm, transformative state.
Why dreams are connected to memory, mental health and waking life
How dream sharing builds empathy and new perspectives
Imagery rehearsal therapy and practical ways to rewrite nightmares
Dream engineering, sleep onset creativity and technology-assisted dreaming
Lucid dreaming research and two-way communication with dreamers
Anesthesia dreams, healing dreams and post-traumatic growth
How stories, memories and dreams shape identity
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to The Dream Journal
01:02 Meet Karen Van Kampen and The Brain Never Sleeps
03:36 Karen’s early life with her sleep-scientist father
05:12 Dream deprivation, sleep and mental health
07:31 Memory consolidation and the “next up” model of dreaming
09:47 Dream salons, dream sharing and collective insight
15:33 How dreams reveal waking-life concerns
17:16 Thought suppression and why it can rebound in dreams
18:36 Imagery rehearsal therapy and rewriting nightmares
24:44 Dream engineering and guiding dreams with technology
28:20 Lucid dreaming and two-way communication with dreamers
31:46 Anesthesia dreams and healing dream experiences
39:43 Consciousness, memory and dreams as a 24-hour continuum
44:31 Final encouragement: becoming empowered dreamers
BIO: Karen van Kampen is a Canadian author and journalist who specializes in health and science. Her latest book is the instant national bestseller “The Brain Never Sleeps: Why We Dream and What it Means for our Health”. Her fascination with dreams began at the age of nine when she was her father’s first sleep lab “assistant,” helping him practice electrode hook-up and testing.
Contact our guest: KarenvanKampen.com
This show, episode number 368, was recorded during a live broadcast on June 20, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.
Video podcast available at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
Get a Better Night’s Sleep with Dr. Chris Winter
Nightmares and Suicide with Dr Michael Nadorff
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
The Dream Journal aims to:
Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams.
Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships.
Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balanc
Jun 22

Now with the correct audio!! (Once it propagates through all the platforms…)
In this episode of The Dream Journal, Katherine Bell talks with Dr. Gayle Delaney about the origins of modern dreamwork, the early days of the International Association for the Study of Dreams, and Delaney’s practical Dream Interview Method. Their conversation also explores how curiosity—not imposed interpretation—can unlock the meaning of dreams, why sleep is essential for emotional and cognitive health, and how dreamwork can help people make better choices in waking life.
Gayle Delaney’s Dream Interview Method and why it avoids one-size-fits-all interpretations
How IASD began and what the early dream conferences were like
Why dreamwork starts with curiosity, precise questions, and the dreamer’s own language
The connection between sleep, joy, energy, and long-term brain health
An example of how a dream about a black cat can open into real-life insight
BIO: Dr. Gayle Delaney is the author or editor of eight books on dreaming, and Gail is a true pioneer in modern dream work who created the simple and powerful dream interview method. Gayle was also the founding president of the International Association for the Study of Dreams and along with Dr. Loma Flowers, Gayle was the creator and co-director of the Delaney and Flowers Dream Center in San Francisco.
Contact our guest: DelaneyonDreams.com
The IASD conference is June 13-17 in Ashland Oregon. Find out more at IASDconferences.org/2026/
This show, episode number 367, was broadcast on June 13, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. It was recorded on May 13, 2026.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.
Video podcast available at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
How Dreams Improve Emotional Health | Psychiatrist Loma K. Flowers on Emotional Competence
Understanding Your Mind with Jesse Lyon
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
The Dream Journal aims to:
Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams.
Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships.
Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites.
A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means.
The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/.
Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.
Jun 15

What do dreams reveal about fear, hesitation, identity, and transformation? In this episode of The Dream Journal, Katherine Bell talks with Lincoln Stoller about dreamwork, self-doubt, courage, neurofeedback, mindfulness, and how dreams can surface the questions we most need to face. A thoughtful conversation on inner change, psychological growth, and the hidden patterns shaping our lives.
#DreamJournal #DreamInterpretation #DreamWork #LincolnStoller #KatherineBell #Neurofeedback #Mindfulness #SelfAwareness #PersonalGrowth #Psychology
BIO: Lincoln Stoller followed his PhD in quantum physics by studying with prophets and shamans around the world. After two decades as a software entrepreneur, he trained in neuropsychology, hypnosis, and psychotherapy. He publishes as a physicist and practices remotely as a therapist, counselor, and coach. His book which is “The Learning Project, Rites of Passage,” won the 2019 Independent Authors Network book of the year.
You can download his latest book: Dreaming Yourself into Being, at his webpage: MindStrengthBalance.com
The IASD conference is June 13-17 in Ashland Oregon. Find out more at IASDconferences.org/2026/
This show, episode number 366, was recorded during a live broadcast on June 6, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.
Video podcast available at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
Inside the Sleeping Mind: Memory, Dream Yoga, & the Neuroscience of Sleep with Ken Paller, PhD
Trauma is Universal but So Is Healing with Wendy Correa
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
The Dream Journal aims to:
Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams.
Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships.
Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites.
A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means.
The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/.
Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.
Jun 8

Lucid dreaming, dream art, dream characters, and consciousness all come together in this fascinating conversation with Dave Green, London-based artist and author of Doodles in the Dark: An Artist’s Guide to Lucid Dreaming.
In this episode of The Dream Journal, host Katherine Bell talks with Dave about how he creates drawings inside lucid dreams, recreates them after waking, and even hands dream pen and paper to dream characters to see what they will draw. They also explore dream meditation, dream yoga, dream portraits, the history of dream art, and the big question of whether dream characters have a consciousness of their own.
If you’re interested in lucid dreaming techniques, dream creativity, dreamwork, consciousness studies, dream characters, meditation in dreams, or the connection between art and the unconscious, this episode offers a rich mix of personal experience, philosophy, and dream research.
BIO: Dave Green is a London based artist who creates simple line drawings in his lucid dreams which he re-creates upon waking up. Lately he has been experimenting with giving his pen and paper to other people in his dreams to see what they create.
Contact our guest: Dave-Green.co.uk
The IASD conference is June 13-17 in Ashland Oregon. Find out more at IASDconferences.org/2026/
This show, episode number 365, was first broadcast on May 30, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. The conversation was recorded on March 20, 2026.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.
Video podcast available at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
Healing Dreams & the “Joy Factor”, Lucid Dreaming with Dr. Clare Johnson
Lucid Dreaming with Robert Waggoner
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
The Dream Journal aims to:
Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams.
Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships.
Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites.
A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means.
The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/.
Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.
Jun 1

Host Katherine Bell talks with G. William Domhoff about dreams, sleep, and consciousness through the lens of his book Dreams, Sleep, and Consciousness. Domhoff explains his neurocognitive theory of dreaming, arguing that dreams are not random nonsense, but a form of internally generated thought that reflects personal concerns, imagination, and the sleeping brain’s unique activity patterns.
The conversation explores several big questions: What are dreams? Why do we dream? How are dreams connected to mind-wandering, sleep stages, and self-awareness? Domhoff also discusses research showing that dream content often reveals recurring waking-life concerns, relationships, and emotional patterns. He shares examples from long-term dream series, including how recurring dream imagery can illuminate deeper concerns even when the imagery itself seems surprising or symbolic.
Domhoff argues that dreaming emerges when the brain’s systems for external attention and self-reflection are dialed down, while imagination and internally generated imagery remain active. The result is a vivid mental world that is immersive, emotionally meaningful, and often revealing.
If you are interested in dream research, sleep science, REM sleep, non-REM dreaming, lucid dreaming, consciousness studies, dream meaning, dream journals, or the neuroscience of imagination, this episode offers a rich introduction to one of the field’s most influential researchers and his decades of work.
Topics covered in this episode:
Bill Domhoff’s neurocognitive theory of dreaming
Whether dreams are meaningful or simply byproducts of sleep
The connection between dreaming and mind-wandering
What dream content reveals about personal concerns and relationships
How REM sleep, non-REM sleep, and sleep onset relate to dreaming
The difference between knowing and self-knowing in consciousness
Why dream research matters for understanding the human mind
BIO: G. William Domhoff is a pioneering dream researcher who has studied dreaming since 1960. He taught a long running university course on dreams at UC Santa Cruz through 2019 and has spent decades exploring how dreams work, how we remember them, and what they reveal about the human mind. His latest book is called “Dreams, Sleep, and Consciousness: Interweaving the Neurocognitive Theory of Dreaming with New Theories of Sleep and Consciousness.”
Contact our guest: DreamResearch.net and Dreambank.net
Bill is an invited speaker at the IASD conference which is June 13-17 in Ashland Oregon. Find out more at IASDconferences.org/2026/
This show, episode number 364, was first broadcast on May 23, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. The interview was recorded on April 10, 2026.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.
Video podcast available at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
Inside the Sleeping Mind: Memory, Dream Yoga, & the Neuroscience of Sleep with Ken Paller, PhD
Dream Deeper to Sleep Better with Leah Ann Bolen
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
The Dream Journal aims to:
Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams.
Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships.
Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites.
A dream can be m
May 25

In this powerful episode of The Dream Journal, host Katherine Bell speaks with award-winning author Diane Hartman about the profound connection between dreams, depression, writing, and self-discovery.
Diane shares the deeply personal story behind her memoir, Getting Lost on My Way: Self-Discovery on Ireland’s Back Roads, and how a solo journey through Ireland helped her confront the “black dog” of depression, reclaim her voice, and rediscover herself through writing.
Together, Katherine and Diane explore how dreams can guide healing, illuminate emotional truth, and reveal the deeper patterns shaping our lives.
Diane opens up about recurring dreams of a black dog chasing her—a powerful symbol of depression—and the unforgettable dream encounters that shaped her path, including a life-changing connection to Irish poet and philosopher John O’Donohue.
The conversation also touches on creativity, memoir writing, ancestral memory, photography, humor in healing, and the courage it takes to follow a dream even when fear is present.
If you’re interested in dreamwork, memoir, mental health, healing journeys, Ireland travel, creative transformation, or the role of dreams in personal growth, this episode offers inspiration, depth, and practical encouragement.
In this episode, we explore:
Dreams and their role in emotional healing
Depression and the symbol of the “black dog”
Diane Hartman’s solo travels through Ireland
Writing as a path to recovery and self-discovery
The influence of John O’Donohue and the idea of anam cara (soul friend)
Memoir, creativity, photography, and transformation
How humor and courage can coexist with grief and struggle
Diane Hartman is an award-winning author, photographer, and retired school librarian. Her memoir, Getting Lost on My Way: Self-Discovery on Ireland’s Back Roads, traces her deeply personal journey through depression, travel, and creative awakening.
Contact our guest: DianeHartmanAuthor.com
The IASD conference is June 13-17 in Ashland Oregon. Find out more at IASDconferences.org/2026/
This show, episode number 363, was recorded during a live broadcast on May 16, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.
Video podcast available at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
Spiritual Journeying with Royce Fitts, PhD
Is This Yours to Carry? with Linda Schiller
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
The Dream Journal aims to:
Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams.
Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships.
Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites.
A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means.
The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/.
Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your frien
May 18

In this episode of The Dream Journal, host Katherine Bell talks with Alira Solara about dream mapping, recurring dreams, dream loops, lucid dreaming, dream weaving, and dream interpretation.
Together they explore why certain dreams repeat, how dream symbols and landscapes can reveal deeper patterns, and how tracking dreams can support emotional insight, spiritual growth, and everyday decision-making.
Alira shares her approach to dream mapping—a practice of journaling dreams, noticing recurring images and locations, and identifying how dream patterns connect to waking life. The conversation also dives into dream loops, the unsettling experience of “waking up” inside another dream, as well as ideas around shared dream spaces, lucid dreaming, sovereignty, and protection in dreamwork.
Katherine and Alira also discuss how dreams can reflect major life transitions, including a powerful dream that helped Alira recognize it was time to leave her job and follow a more aligned path. Throughout the episode, they reflect on how dreams can illuminate distortion, reveal hidden emotional truth, and help people reconnect with intuition, wholeness, and personal meaning.
If you’re curious about recurring dreams, dream journaling, dream symbolism, lucid dreaming, or how to start understanding your own inner dream landscape, this conversation offers practical insight and inspiration.
Topics covered in this episode
Why dreams repeat and what recurring dreams may reveal
What dream mapping is and how to start your own dream map
The difference between dream symbols, images, and personal meaning
How dream landscapes can reflect parts of the self
What dream loops are and why they can feel so intense
Lucid dreaming, awareness, and “waking up” inside a dream
Shared dream spaces, co-dreaming, and “Mall World”
How dreams can prepare us for major life changes
Dream journaling tips for beginners
Dream weaving, distortion, and emotional integration
Staying Sovereign in Dreamwork
BIO: Alira Solara is a writer, dreamworker, and intuitive guide who explores the intersection of dreams, shadow integration, and spiritual awakening. Through her work, she helps others decode symbolic language, map inner landscapes, and reconnect with their own intuitive knowing through dreamwork, storytelling, and embodied self-inquiry.
Contact our guest: AliraWritesTheLight.com TT, YT, IG, FB: @alirawritesthelight
The IASD conference is June 13-17 in Ashland Oregon. Find out more at IASDconferences.org/2026/
This show, episode number 362, was recorded during a live broadcast on May 9, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.
Video podcast available at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
How Dreamwork Strengthens Intuition: Lucidity, Meaning, and the Medial Archetype with Athena Laz
Life after Death before Death with Nirakara Vani
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
The Dream Journal aims to:
Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams.
Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships.
Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites.
A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means.
The Dream Journal is produced a
May 11

What if the Sun is influencing your dreams?
In this episode of The Dream Journal, host Katherine Bell speaks with Dr. Annani Kelley, researcher, poet, and founder of heliopsychology, about her groundbreaking work on space weather, solar flares, geomagnetic activity, and human consciousness.
Drawing on more than 70 years of heliobiology research and her own PhD dissertation, Dr. Kelley explores how solar flares, sunspots, and geomagnetic storms correlate with changes in sleep quality, nightmares, aggressive dreams, dream bizarreness, and extraordinary dream states—including lucid, psychic, and precognitive dreams.
The conversation moves beyond sleep into big‑picture questions:
• How space weather affects human behavior, creativity, and social systems
• Why solar maximum periods are linked with volatility and aggression
• The idea that consciousness may be electromagnetic, with the brain acting as a receiver rather than the source
• Historical events like the Carrington Event and how solar storms affect Earth
• The role dreams may play in the evolution of consciousness
Dr. Kelley also shares poetry from her book Somnia De Fine Mundi (Dreams of the End of the World)—dream‑inspired work that reflects apocalyptic imagery, transformation, and cosmic awareness.
This episode blends science, psychology, dreams, poetry, and philosophy, offering a thought‑provoking look at humanity’s intimate relationship with the Sun.
Chapter Headings
Space Weather and the Science of Heliopsychology
Solar Flares, Sunspots, and Geomagnetic Activity Explained
How the Sun Influences Sleep Quality and Dreaming
Nightmares, Aggressive Dreams, and Dream Bizarreness
Psychic, Lucid, and Extraordinary Dream States
Solar Cycles, Human Behavior, and World Events
Consciousness as an Electromagnetic Phenomenon
The Brain as Receiver: Rethinking Where Consciousness Comes From
The Carrington Event and Extreme Solar Storms
Dreams of the End of the World: Poetry, Apocalypse, and Meaning
BIO: Dr. Annani Kelley recently received her PhD from Sofia University and is the founder of Heliopsychology. Her dissertation focused on the influence of space weather on sleep and dream states. She has recently published a poetry book called “Somnia de Fine Mundi” which translates to Dreams of the End of the World.
Check out Dr. Kelley’s YouTube page @Dr_HelioPsy
The IASD conference is June 13-17 in Ashland Oregon. Find out more at IASDconferences.org/2026/
This show, episode number 361, was recorded during a live broadcast on May 2, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.
Video podcast available at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
Into the Cosmic Zone with Madi Murphy
Heliopsychology with Annani Kelley
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
The Dream Journal aims to:
Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams.
Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships.
Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites.
A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means.
The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Sa
May 4

On this special episode celebrating 360 shows, Dream Journal host Katherine Bell (Experiential Dreamwork) talks with lucid dream pioneer Dr. Clare Johnson (Deep Lucid Dreaming) about healing dreams, lucid dreaming, and what Johnson calls the joy factor—those moments of bliss, beauty, and deep replenishment that can arrive in dreams and ripple into waking life.
Together they explore dream body intelligence, emotional processing in sleep, dream incubation, and practical ways to work with nightmares—plus how the “thought-responsive” nature of lucid dreams can support intentional healing.
In This Episode
What are healing dreams? How sleep and dreaming support physical repair and emotional balance
The “joy factor”: bliss dreams, dream beauty, visitation-style comfort, and why joy can be restorative
Lucid dreaming basics: stabilizing lucidity and working skillfully inside the dream
Thought-responsive environments: how intention, emotion, and expectation shape lucid dreams
Dream body intelligence: the link between the dream body and the waking body (including a fist-clenching lucid dream study)
Dream incubation: setting an intention for a healing dream before sleep
Yoga nidra / hypnagogic edge: using deep relaxation as an “in-between” state for healing intention
Nightmares & the body: why repetitive nightmares matter and how to work with them
Lucid Imaging Nightmare Solution: re-entering a nightmare safely to find information and resolution
Dreams and creativity: how lucid dreams can feed writing, research, and the creative process
Chapters
The Joy Factor: When Dreams Lift Us Up
Beauty, Flying Dreams, and Dream Euphoria
Dreams, Mental Health, and Emotional Processing
Lucid Dreaming: What’s Special About Being Aware
Stabilizing a Lucid Dream + Working with Intention
Thought-Responsive Dream Worlds
Dream Body Intelligence and the Waking Body Link
Healing Dreams: Incubation, Yoga Nidra, and Visualization
Don’t “Put Up” with Nightmares: Transforming Fear
Writing, Creativity, and Dream-Inspired Books
Resources & Mentions
Clare Johnson’s website: deepluciddreaming.com
Book: The Complete Book of Lucid Dreaming (mentioned for healing and lucid dreaming examples)
Book: The Art of Transforming Nightmares (nightmare tools and the Lucid Imaging Nightmare Solution)
Book: Elixir of Sleep (dream-inspired in its creation)
Novels: Breathing in Color and Dream Runner (dream-inspired fiction; includes discussion of synesthesia and REM sleep behavior disorder)
Term: Dream incubation (setting a pre-sleep intention to receive a healing dream)
Term: Yoga nidra / hypnagogic state (deep relaxation on the edge of sleep)
Term: REM sleep behavior disorder (RBD) (dream enactment during sleep)
Organization/event: IASD conference (International Association for the Study of Dreams), with Dr. Johnson as a keynote speaker iasdconferences.org/2026
Johnson’s podcast: Sleep and Deep Lucid Dreaming
Katherine Bell’s website ExperientialDreamwork.com
This show, episode number 360, was recorded on March 5, 2026 and was broadcast on April 27, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz.
Video podcast available on YouTube at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
Befriending Sleep with Lucid Dreamer Dr. Clare Johnson
Deep Lucid Dreaming with Clare Johnson, PhD
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to Experiential
Apr 27

In this episode of The Dream Journal, host Katherine Bell speaks with dreamwork pioneer Robert Bosnak, founder of Embodied Imagination, about how to work with dreams, symptoms, memories, and trauma without forcing interpretation. Bosnak shares why “not knowing” can be the most skillful stance in dreamwork, how to re-enter a dream through flashback memory, and how shifting perspective—from the “narrator” to the environment or other beings—can unlock relief, agency, and integration.
Keywords: dreamwork, embodied imagination, Robert Bosnak, Katherine Bell, experiential dreamwork, flashback memory, non-interpretive dreamwork, trauma nightmares, somatic symptoms, neutral witness, psychedelic integration, imaginal realm, dual consciousness
Key takeaways
Start with not knowing. A dream can be meaningful even when you can’t explain it; “not understanding” can keep you closer to the living experience of the dream.
Re-enter the dream as a place. Instead of treating dreams as stories to decode, Embodied Imagination uses flashback memory to return to the dream environment and feel it in the body.
The body leads the mind. Sensation and affect often arrive before conscious meaning—so the work begins with what the body is already doing.
Work with symptoms as imagery. By focusing attention on the location of a symptom, spontaneous images can arise (distinct from mental “fabrication”).
Shift perspective to create change. Moving from the “I/narrator” to the viewpoint of the image (e.g., the mountains, a closet, a wall) can soften overwhelm and open new possibilities.
Use a neutral witness for trauma. Approaching a traumatic scene from the perspective of a steady object in the environment can reduce re-traumatization while allowing the experience to be processed.
Dual consciousness supports integration. In psychedelic or numinous states, holding “two worlds at once” helps you stay grounded while engaging the imaginal reality.
Integration is a practice. Returning to the experience, slowing it down, and revisiting it from multiple perspectives can turn a peak moment into an embodied daily exercise.
BIO: Robert Bosnak is a Zurich-trained Jungian psychoanalyst specializing in dreaming. He founded Embodied Imagination and is a past IASD president, a fiction and non-fiction book author, and psychiatry faculty at the SUNY Upstate Medical University. He is also presenting at the IASD conference in June up in Ashland Oregon.
Learn more at EmbodiedImagination.com
To donate to the show’s host community radio station, go to KSQD.org
The IASD conference is June 13-17 in Ashland Oregon. Find out more at IASDconferences.org/2026/
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com.
This show, episode number 359, was recorded during a live broadcast on April 18, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz.
Videos available on YouTube at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.
Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in:
Dancing With Dreams & Nightmares | Ritual Dreamwork, Bees, Snakes, & the Dream Hive with Lana Nasser
From Shame to Self-Love with Bill St. Cyr
Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.
SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your
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