Steve Hayes is joined by Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson, and Mike Warren to discuss the U.S. crossing the $40 trillion debt threshold and the prospect of “growing our way out of it.”The Agenda:—Kevin explains how we got here—Entitlement spending—What would Paul Ryan do—The DOGE effort—Growing our way out of debt—NWYT: Adulthood disappointmentsShow notes:—Kevin's Wanderland—Kevin on the tragedy of U.S. debt—Steve Hayes on DOGE—"DOGE—the UNIPARTY killed it because it was working too well."The Dispatch Podcast is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a nonpartisan perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including audio versions of all our articles and newsletters—⁠click here⁠. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices