We Love Ugly Data! The Deep Analysis Podcast
We Love Ugly Data! The Deep Analysis Podcast
Alan Pelz-Sharpe
This irregular podcast series examines what is happening in the unstructured data automation market. Three topics - Thirty Minutes, that's the format!Topics range from the state of Blockchain, IDP, ECM, and the impact of AI on unstructured data. Deep Analysis provides advisory services, industry research, and M&A guidance. [email protected]
We Love Ugly Data! - The Deep Analysis Podcast - Episode 8 - October 2023
The eighth episode of the podcast we now know and love as "We Love Ugly Data!" is out; available everywhere you get your podcasts from and, of course, in video form via YouTube (which we've embedded below). As ever, it's three topics in 30 minutes; Matt and Dan are in the chairs this time; skip to the topics you're most interested in, or maybe sit back and enjoy the whole thing. Show notes are, as ever, included below the embedded video.In this episode,Topic 1: Dan, is generative AI hype or hero for IDP?Using some visual aids that he borrowed from Kofax, Dan talks through the impact that generative AI has on IDP, both now and in the future. In the process, the subject turns to whether IDP could be the first real-world application of generative AI that earns its keep in the enterprise.Topic 2: Check the meter; here comes winter!It's starting to get cold and wet in the UK (yes, we can hear your "so what's new?" comments, and we're choosing to ignore them), and Matt has noticed the impact on his smart meter. At the same time, he wonders whether organizations realize too that soon their generative AI tools will hit the meters and wants to remind them to build that into their planning. There's also a brief but entirely justified bit of competition bashing.Topic 3: Dan, why do people continue to underestimate the EU?Dan has been speaking to a whole bunch of IDP vendors in the EU and has concluded that developing their product in the region has resulted in some interesting and innovative outcomes that are symptomatic of building there. He and Matt discuss what those EU-specific circumstances might be. Matt's blog post/analyst note: "Here Comes The Meter Man – A Lesson in GenAI Planning."The WSJ article (paywall, subscription required) discussed - among other things - the costs of Microsoft Copilot.Information Week and their coverage of Forrester Research's CEO's recent comments at one of their conferences.Support the show
Oct 27, 2023
32 min
We Love Ugly Data! - The Deep Analysis Podcast - Episode 7 - September 2023
The seventh episode of the podcast we now know and love as "We Love Ugly Data!" is out; Matt and Alan are in the chairs this time; skip to the topics you're most interested in, or maybe sit back and enjoy the whole thing. Come on, it's only 30 minutes and you deserve a break.The (magnificent) seventh episode of the podcast we now know and love as “We Love Ugly Data!” is out; available everywhere you get your podcasts from and, of course, in video form via YouTube (which we’ve embedded below). As ever, it’s three topics in 30 minutes; Matt and Alan are in the chairs this time; skip to the topics you’re most interested in, or maybe sit back and enjoy the whole thing? Come on, it’s only 30 minutes, and you deserve a break. Show notes are as ever, included below the embedded video.In this episode,Topic 1: AI & Supply ChainIn a segment that we could easily have called “Where In The World Has Alan Been?” (if we’d not done that several times before), Alan’s been speaking at Parcel Forum in Nashville, and even though 10 minutes isn’t anywhere near enough time to distill the entire keynote into a podcast, here he and Matt discuss some of the key elements of that presentation.Topic 2: Citizen Developer SurveyDeep Analysis is currently running an industry survey around current trends, adoption, and attitudes toward “Citizen Development,” and here Matt and Alan discuss why we’re doing it, why you should contribute, and some of the positive (and negative) rationales behind using this technology.Topic 3: Stop Personifying AI!Matt’s written a (slightly angry) blog post in the wake of Salesforce’s recent “Dreamforce” conference about how we should all be really careful about the language we use to describe AI, not ascribe human qualities to it (like intent) and certainly not use imagined power as a way to sell defensive features in your software. But you’d never do that, now, would you?Show notes for Series 2, Episode 6.Topic 1: AI & Supply ChainParcel ForumTopic 2: Citizen Developer SurveyYou can contribute to the Citizen Developer survey here (and your contribution will be gratefully received). As mentioned in the pod, we will be sharing the results and analysis once the survey has been concluded.Topic 3: Stop Personifying AIMatt’s recent blog “AI, building trust and selling defense.”They also mentioned a previous blog post “AI, regulation and the predictions of doom”.An introduction to the concept of “The Chinese Room” (with associated criticism).The very excellent Javvad Malik (with links to all his posts, videos etc.) can be found here.Support the show
Sep 22, 2023
31 min
We Love Ugly Data! The Deep Analysis Podcast - Episode 6 July 23
The sixth episode of the second season of the Deep Analysis podcasts went live this week; the 4 Waves of IDP, how AI products are creating a lot of head scratching on data residency, and why can't we call everything "content"?The sixth episode of the podcast we now know and love as “We Love Ugly Data!” is out; available everywhere you get your podcasts from and, of course, in video form via YouTube (which we’ve embedded below). As ever, it’s 3 topics in 30 minutes; Matt and Alan are in the chairs this time; skip to the topics you’re most interested in, or maybe sit back and enjoy the whole thing? Come on, it’s only 30 minutes, and you deserve a break. Show notes are, as ever, included below.In this episode;Topic 1: 5 (more) Vendors to WatchWe’ve recently added 5 more Vendor Vignettes to the website for subscribers to digest, but for everyone else here, Alan and Matt do a rapid-fire summary of each (you can read it more leisurely here).Topic 2: Here comes trouble?Alan recently wrote a blog post (the device that we until recently called an “analyst note”, before we reverted to blog for the sake of simplicity) called “Industry Consolidation is Coming.” Here he and Matt discuss some of the financial and operational challenges that start-ups are facing and 4 important lessons that they should heed.Topic 3: AI Citizen DevelopersAnother topic concerns a recent blog post, this time written by Matt, about how Generative AI, vendor LLMs, and No Code. Our pair discusses why vendors would be focusing their energy here, what it means for Low and No Code platforms and….. where are all the citizen developers?Support the show
Aug 15, 2023
30 min
We Love Ugly Data! The Deep Analysis Podcast - Episode 5 July 23
The show notes for this episode are available below if you want to follow the conversation. As ever, it's three topics in 30 minutes, this time with Matt and Dan; skip to the topics you're most interested in, or maybe sit back and enjoy the whole thing with a beverage of your choice.Topic 1: What are the “4 Waves of IDP”?Dan recently posted an Analyst Note entitled "The Fourth Wave of IDP is Here," and here he talks Matt through those 4 waves, from the original OCR of the 1960s and Forms and Templates of the 1980s and 1990s, through Machine Learning to the LLMs (or GPTs if you prefer) that have dominated release cycles this year.Topic 2: LLMs, grounding, and data residencyMatt wonders whether, among the plethora of big announcements around AI from the largest software vendors, some of the biggest challenges faced in their implementation have been overlooked in much of the commentary? Using examples from Microsoft and Salesforce (both have talked and published extensively on the subject), Matt points out that using your own data to help "ground" requests being sent to LLMs like OpenAI's GPTs creates a series of challenges around data residency regional legal frameworks and plain "my brain hurts thinking about it" allied issues.Topic 3: Documents, content, files, records, semi-structured or unstructured data: do labels matter anymore?Dan discusses his recent Analyst Note, "Documents, content, files, records, semi-structured or unstructured data: do labels really matter anymore?" and ponders why we call things the names we do. Matt wonders whether it's actually all the fault of Industry Analysts in the first place.Support the show
Jul 11, 2023
31 min
We Love Ugly Data! The Deep Analysis Podcast - Episode 4 June 23
The show notes for this episode are available below if you want to follow the conversation. As ever, it's three topics in 30 minutes, this time with Matt and Alan; skip to the topics you're most interested in, or maybe sit back and enjoy the whole thing with an iced beverage of your choice (it's a little hot right now, treat yourself?In this episode;Topic 1: Research UpdatesA new set of Vendor Vignettes was recently added to the site - for Skan, Botminds, Hyperscience and IPwe. Matt and Alan discuss the relative significance of each in their respective markets and remind us that these will be the last published for all to read for free (future VVs will be for Deep Analysis subscribers only).Topic 2: Missing Miners?Now he's back on terra firms after his travels, Alan ponders the act that so few of the people he'd met had any knowledge of Task or Process Mining.  Having written an Analyst Note on the subject, He and Matt discuss whether this confirms the projections in the "Work Intelligence Market Analysis" and how RPA vendors are changing their go-to-market strategy - as Alan previously noted with UiPath - plays into their hands?Topic 3: Yes, More AIAs it currently appears to be international law, Matt and Alan discuss the last few weeks in AI and unstructured data. Matt published an Analyst Note imploring people not to listen to the "end of the world" AI doom grifters, and the pair discuss how best to try and be cool and circumspect in your planning for the subject while the world around shouts very loudly.Support the show
Jun 12, 2023
30 min
We Love Ugly Data! The Deep Analysis Podcast - Episode 3 - May 2023
Episode 3 is here! Matt and Alan chat about Data Fabrics, AI desktop assistants, recent conferences, Ice-T, and all in just 30 minutes...Topic 1: Where in the world has Alan been?- Napoli win's first Scudetto since 1990 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65488842- AIIM Conference https://www.aiimconference.com/event/fdbca9bf-a503-49db-aaa2-c3aa0bb23030/summary- Reworked Connect Conference https://www.reworked.co/connect/Topic 2: Here come the gen AI helpers! How do you cope?- Generative AI on Your Desktop: Uninvited Guest, Welcome Coworker, or Competitor? - https://www.deep-analysis.net/generative-ai-on-your-desktop/- Google Duet AI for Workspace https://workspace.google.com/blog/product-announcements/duet-ai- Microsoft 365 CoPilot https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/03/16/introducing-microsoft-365-copilot-your-copilot-for-work/- Salesforce Einstein for GPT https://www.salesforce.com/uk/news/press-releases/2023/03/07/einstein-generative-ai/Topic 3: Data Fabrics & Work Intelligence. A solution?- Appian Data Fabric intro video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxxf5wk8Z_4- Work Intelligence Introduction https://www.deep-analysis.net/work-intelligence-improving-processes/- Work Intelligence Market Analysis https://www.deep-analysis.net/work-intelligence-market-analysis-2023-2028/Support the show
May 20, 2023
30 min
We Love Ugly Data! The Deep Analysis Podcast - Episode 2 - May 2023
 Each month we spend 30 minutes discussing three hot topics. In this episode, Matt Mullen & Dan Lucarini look at:Topic 1: Why on earth are there 300+ IDP vendors?Dan discusses the remarkable explosion of startups in the IDP (Intelligent Document Processing) market and looks at their future chances of survival.https://www.deep-analysis.net/intelligent-document-processing-market-analysis-2022-2026/Topic 2: Europe. It's a whole different content   Startups and technology vendors come from all over the world, but their operating dynamics and funding sources differ remarkably, region by region. Dan and Matt provide some perspective and analysis.https://www.deep-analysis.net/a-nonuniform-world-lesson-two-from-building-the-work-intelligence-market-analysis/https://www.deep-analysis.net/connected-markets-lesson-one-from-compiling-work-intelligence/Topic 3: 80% of Data is Unstructured? Is it? Is it Really?Possibly the biggest myth in the industry and one that needs to be busted, our hosts ruthlessly dissect the roots and reality of the 80% fantasy.Enjoy!Support the show
May 5, 2023
29 min
We Love Ugly Data! - The Deep Analysis Podcast - Episode 1 April 2023
We are back, after a very long break the Deep Analysis podcast returns, with a new format and new presenters. Each month we will spend 30 minutes discussing three. currently hot topics. In this episode Matt Mullen & Alan Pelz-Sharpe look at:Topic 1: Why is Alan in Brazil?https://iima.com.br/information-showTopic 2: Work IntelligenceWork Intelligence Market Analysis: https://www.deep-analysis.net/work-intelligence-market-analysis-2023-2028/Work Intelligence Intro Report: https://www.deep-analysis.net/work-intelligence-improving-processes/Topic 3: Is Google's Generative AI App Builder for the masses?Google Gen App Builder announcement https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/create-generative-apps-in-minutes-with-gen-app-builderSalesforce Einstein GPT Press Release https://www.salesforce.com/news/press-releases/2023/03/07/einstein-generative-ai/Enjoy!Support the show
Apr 17, 2023
29 min
Enterprise Blockchain - A Boston Perspective
In this episode, we talk to one of the founders of the Boston Blockchain Association, Peter Brooks. Peter gives is a grounded and valuable perspective on the reality of Enterprise Blockchain in 2020, its challenges and opportunities.Support the show
May 21, 2020
19 min
A Legal Perspective on the Ethics of AI
In this podcast, we have an extended conversation with XPAN Law Group and Seventh Samurai attorney Michael Simon. A wide range and highly informative discussion that looks at some of the legal precedents and challenges of applicable legal standards to Artificial Intelligence.Note: The interview was recorded remotely - unfortunately the sound quality is not what we would like, but the discussion is worth it :-)Support the show
May 20, 2020
29 min
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