
Episode 62: Seth Godin is a twenty-time best-selling author, entrepreneur, and most of all, a teacher. His writing has been read by millions across 37 languages and his teachings have transformed generations on business, creativity, and personal growth.
A special thank you to Jim Ziolkowski for making this interview possible and an additional thank you to Shye Gilad for first introducing us to Seth Godin’s work.
0:00 Intro
0:50 Ask the right questions
3:07 The end of the industrial age
4:56 A brand of substance
8:40 Seth Godin’s new promise
10:21 The Carbon Almanac
12:00 Tenets of great leadership
18:10 The importance of focus
19:27 The difference between a good decision and a good outcome
21:52 How to navigate self-doubt
24:11 What data should we listen to?
28:30 Informed optimism about the world
29:58 DP3
34:10 Ending
Seth Godin
Website: https://www.sethgodin.com/
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Depolarized
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Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to building a generational toolkit to heal a divided world. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.
Aug 7, 2023
34 min

Episode 61: Macken Murphy is a scientist, writer, and educator on human mating behavior. He has gained popularity for his snappy, research-based TikTok and his weekly podcast about animals, Species, recommended by both Apple and BBC’s Wildlife magazine. He is currently researching male beautification at the University of Melbourne and holds degrees from Kilachand Honors College and the University of Oxford.
0:00 Intro
3:26 Male beautification
4:11 Heritable cheating
7:20 Men vs women on cheating
11:32 Animal mating behavior
17:15 Relationship red flags
19:35 Mate value discrepancy
22:19 Personal relationship with research
25:04 Living a researched life
32:31 Memory elasticity
36:18 Why humans are having less sex
41:32 The impact of red pill content
46:39 The rise of academic media
52:21 Nuanced digital conversations
58:34 DP3
1:05:00 Ending
Macken Murphy
Website: https://www.mackenmurphy.org/
Podcast: https://pod.link/1334821500
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Depolarized
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Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.
Jun 26, 2023
1 hr 2 min

Episode 60: Andy Jiang is the internet’s favorite storytelling detective. Through his short and long-form content, he has uncovered some of the world’s most incredible hidden stories.
0:00 Intro
0:10 The greenscreen effect
1:18 Investing in production
3:26 A previous guest
4:32 Why hidden stories?
8:15 The right story to tell
11:36 Sourcing stories
14:20 Origin story
20:44 Handling negative criticism
23:36 Early support
28:12 Fear of failure
29:47 The impact of guaranteed success
34:21 Independent fact-checking
38:09 Burst your bubble
41:35 Slow media
42:45 A storytelling masterclass
49:27 Who should you create for?
51:30 The psychology of an audience
54:19 DP3
1:05:05 Ending
Andy Jiang
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-stories-with-andy-jiang/id1677888134
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0ihA5e7o7VI9ZJ78jUo2TA?si=5d2eb254572d46c5
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@andyyjiang
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@andyyjiang Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andyyjiang_/
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Depolarized
Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/
Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.
Jun 19, 2023
1 hr 5 min

Episode 59: Jim Ziolkowski is the founder, president, and CEO of buildOn, a non-profit organization that builds schools in developing countries and runs community-service programs for underserved high school students in America.
0:00 Intro
0:27 Creator Camp
1:00 What is buildOn?
2:33 Early childhood
4:19 A journey to service
10:58 Fear of the unknown
13:43 Role models
18:38 The role of scripture
23:18 Walking through the fire of adversity
30:35 Radical empathy and solidarity
33:39 Mother Teresa
37:45 Navigating difference
40:14 How to build community
48:26 Leading by example
52:56 Work-service balance
1:02:14 What is giving you hope?
1:11:27 Ending
Jim Ziolkowski
Donate: https://act.buildon.org/give/t496464/#!/donation/checkout
Join Trek: https://www.buildon.org/get-involved/serve-globally#signup
TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfagWlHOCxk
Website: https://www.buildon.org/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JimZbuildOn
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimziolkowski/
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Depolarized
Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/
Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.
Jun 12, 2023
1 hr 11 min

Episode 58: Timm Chiusano is a Fortune 100 Creative Executive by day and a TikTok creator by night. He’s highly respected for his ability to blend the art and science of effective marketing in both his professional and personal life.
This episode features a special guest host: Max Reisinger. He is a creator and entrepreneur documenting what it means to grow up and find your place in this modern-day, fast-moving, and ever-changing world.
0:00 Intro
0:10 How we get to this recording
3:35 The power of content
6:20 An evolving relationship with the audience
8:09 To record or not to record
15:18 Amateur hour
20:52 Tactical tattoos
25:04 Humanizing Corporate America
31:32 Living what we preach
35:30 Life without financial titles
39:25 Returning to creative freedom
43:28 Community performance
53:14 Jish The Fish
55:20 Numbers don’t lie
56:46 Pig in Brooklyn
58:51 Advising each other
1:01:42 Gratitude
1:03:28 Ending
Timm Chiusano
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@timmchiusano
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timmchiusano/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TimmChiusano77
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/longwinded-by-nature/id1656131694
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LMagezEKvziQR1dnO96hL?si=494595e86c074838
Max Reisinger
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MaxReisinger
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maxbrsee/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxreisinger/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Maxbrsee
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Depolarized
Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/
Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.
Jun 7, 2023
1 hr 3 min

Episode 57: Annie Long is a 16-year-old student, content creator, and entrepreneur. Don’t let her young age fool you, though. Annie is a socially savvy, story-conscious leader on a mission to help Gen Z young women to leverage their youth through purpose-driven productivity to impact their communities.
0:00 Intro
0:21 LinkedIn DM
2:49 Why create?
4:19 Why post online?
8:44 50k followers at 12
11:25 Setting a creator-life boundary
14:12 Coping with criticism
19:04 First impressions
24:31 Growing up too fast
32:57 The two stories that impact our psychology
38:23 The influence of faith
54:35 The unforeseen benefits of a creator career
58:33 Internet friends
1:05:09 Getting clear on mission
1:11:07 Who are you outside of your titles?
1:15:11 DP3
1:25:17 Ending
Annie Long
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AnnieLong
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annielongyt/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@annielong
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annielongg/
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Depolarized
Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/
Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.
May 29, 2023
1 hr 26 min

Episode 56: Claire Atkin is the cofounder of Check My Ads, a nonprofit aiming to defund disinformation online. To date, they have taken money out of the pockets of several prominent far-right outlets, most notably Breitbart. Now, they have set their sight on their toughest opponent to date: Fox News.
0:00 Intro
0:27 A polarizing road trip experience
4:36 Digital vs cable disinformation
7:39 Coping with violent threats
12:51 The disinformation economy
14:39 Sleeping Giants
16:20 The disinformation business model
21:23 Best practices for engaging with disinformation
24:57 Real-world harms
32:25 A change in belief
34:00 A message to Fox News viewers
35:26 What’s giving you hope?
36:26 Ending
Check My Ads
Website: https://checkmyads.org/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/checkmyadshq
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/checkmyads/
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Depolarized
Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/
Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.
May 22, 2023
36 min

Episode 55: Venerable Tri Dao is a Theravada Buddhist monk with 1.3 million followers on TikTok. He is on a mission to inspire the world through his own change and transformation.
0:00 Intro
0:12 The rise of the celebrity monk
3:28 Scaling impact through social media
6:35 Mental fortitude
11:03 A hotline for happiness
14:28 Finding comfort in religion
19:38 An introduction to Buddhism
22:23 A period of pain
30:41 Meditation as lifestyle
34:36 Nothing lasts forever
37:20 Decoding dogmatism
40:35 Buddhist pluralism
44:24 What does Nirvana feel like?
52:27 The nobility of silence
59:03 Ending
Venerable Tri Dao
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@venerable_tri...
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Depolarized
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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepol...
Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.
May 13, 2023
1 hr

Episode 54: A Democrat and a Republican road trip across America. This is their story. You can buy Union at https://www.unionthebook.com/
Nov 2, 2020
37 min

Episode 53: In the age of clickbait and biased news, we have lost faith in legacy institutions to provide us with the information we need. Arjun Moorthy is the CEO and co-founder of The Factual, a tech startup providing unbiased news on trending topics. The Factual’s wide array of products helps its users analyze how credible a story is based on a diversity of sources, factual tone of writing, author’s expertise and more.
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https://www.thefactual.com/
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Sep 5, 2020
39 min
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