Aaron Watson turned down Nashville at 22 — and spent the next 25 years proving he was right. In this deeply honest conversation, Aaron opens up about building one of country music's most successful independent careers without compromising his identity, his songwriting, or his family. He shares the real cost of chasing music for a living, surviving two vocal cord surgeries that nearly ended his career, and why becoming a father changed the way he measures success forever. This episode goes far beyond country music. It's about resilience, reinvention, creative obsession, faith, and learning what actually matters after decades in the spotlight. Aaron talks candidly about grief, losing a daughter, turning down opportunities most artists would kill for, and the dangerous freedom that comes when you stop caring about fame. We also dive into songwriting, social media, legacy, independent artistry, and the mindset that's fueling what he believes may become the best chapter of his career.

In this episode of The Converse Cowboy, NFL veteran Davon Godchaux breaks down the uncomfortable truth behind success, discipline, and identity — after 10 years in a league where most careers barely last three.   "You've got athletes… and then you've got professional athletes."    From LSU to the NFL, Davon shares the small, unglamorous habits that define longevity — the things no one sees, but everyone feels on game day. But this isn't just about football. It's about what happens when the dream becomes reality… and still isn't enough.   We talk about: • Why the little things are everything (and why most people avoid them) • The danger of tying your identity to what you do • What success really looks like beyond money and fame • How to handle adversity in a world that teaches you to quit   "Money comes and goes… but relationships last forever."    Because when the game ends — for all of us — what's left is who you became along the way.   This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Bluebonnet Feeds and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs.    Enjoy the show!  

Most people don't accidentally find their calling. Scott Slusher did. With no formal training, he borrowed a horse, a truck, and a saddle—and stepped into a world that would eventually define his life's work. In this episode, we go beyond photography into purpose, identity, and the tension between making money and making a life. Scott shares why chasing fulfillment looks nothing like chasing success—and why uncertainty might be the clearest sign you're on the right path. If you've ever questioned where you're headed, this conversation will stay with you. This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Bluebonnet Feeds and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs. 

Evan Felker of 'Turnpike Troubadours' has earned his reputation as one of the most respected songwriters in American music, but this conversation reveals what sits beneath the songs. Rather than focusing on highlights or history, this episode explores how great writing is built—through attention, discipline, and a deep respect for ordinary moments. Evan reflects on why the most lasting songs don't come from chasing significance, but from noticing what others overlook and shaping it with care. Our discussion moves beyond songwriting into the larger work of living well. We discuss finding balance as a daily practice, intention as something that must be revisited constantly, and reflection as a discipline that keeps both the work and the person aligned. Whether describing his writing process, the value of being present, or why certain experiences quiet the noise of the world, his perspective is measured, thoughtful, and quietly compelling. This episode isn't about image or mythology. It's about craft, clarity, and choosing a way of working—and living—that holds up over time. For anyone interested in meaningful work done with purpose, this is a conversation you don't want to miss. Be sure to check out Turnpike Troubadours' latest record, "The Price of Admission": https://open.spotify.com/album/0lMU9le9QkLUKR0VFBwxSq Sponsors: Kimes Ranch: https://kimesranch.com Bluebonnet Feeds: https://bluebonnetfeeds.com Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs: https://kerrykelleyspurs.com

Foundations of Greatness – Training Young Horses Roundtable with some of the best in the business. Dive deep into the world of starting cutting horse prospects with three of the industry's most respected horse trainers: Wes Ashlock (Abilene, TX), Richard Jordan (Idaho), Gregg Garvie (Canada). In this candid roundtable recorded live at the NCHA Futurity, Fort Worth, Texas, these unsung heroes of the cutting horse world pull back the curtain on the often-overlooked art of building foundations for future champions. From day-one colt starting and teaching horses to "reach for an answer," to sourcing yearlings, navigating sales pressure, and the emotional highs and lows of seeing "your" horse succeed under another trainer—these guys hold nothing back. With humor, humility, and hard-earned wisdom, they discuss: *wildly different training styles that all produce winners *spotting "the freak" early (and knowing when greatness is already inside the horse) *evolving beliefs, favorite failures, and the worst advice they've ignored *the thrill (and terror) of million-dollar sales *why the best horses teach the trainer more than the other way around Whether you're a trainer, breeder, owner, or just love great horses and real talk, this episode reminds us there's no single path to excellence—just relentless pursuit, gratitude, and a deep respect for the animal. Enjoy the show! Brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs, Bluebonnet Feeds, and Brumbaugh's Furniture and Design.

What happens when a breakout college breakaway roper can't turn pro and has to get a "big girl job"? She accidentally becomes one of the country's leading equine nutritionists. Dr. Jyme Nichols (Bluebonnet Feeds) pulls back the curtain on her unlikely journey from the Sandhills of Nebraska and Montana State rodeo to earning a PhD and revolutionizing performance horse feeding. In this myth-busting conversation with The Converse Cowboy, she explains why protein percentage is the LAST thing she looks at on a feed tag, how horses can get type-2 diabetes just like humans, why supplements aren't always the enemy (and when they definitely are), and the real reason 3-year-old futurity horses fall apart under stress. From leaky gut and the gut-brain axis to why forage testing is "insurance" and how plasma actually works, Dr. Jyme delivers science in plain English for every horse owner tired of fads and old wives' tales. If you've ever wondered what actually moves the needle for your horse's health and performance, this episode is feed-room gold. Enjoy the show!  This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs along with Bluebonnet Feeds. 

Professional tie down roper, Shane Hanchey – 16x NFR Qualifier & World Champion. This Louisiana cowboy will be heading back to Las Vegas in December to compete at the National Finals Rodeo for the 16th consecutive time since 2010.  Join host Mike Roberts as he sits down with tie-down roping legend Shane Hanchey, 2013 world champion, and American Rodeo winner. From ditching his baseball bag at 16 for a once-in-a-lifetime horse named Riata—who carried him from youth rodeos to six NFRs and a gold buckle. Hanchey breaks down the mental game—"Adversity breaks some men; it makes others break records"—daily routines, live cattle runs), horse selection nuances. Plus, his entrepreneurial side: producing futurities, owning and operating a food truck, and lessons from launching The Cowboy Journal media platform. Discover why "winners win," the power of short-term memory for losses, and Hanchey's billboard mantra: "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right." Raw, inspiring, and packed with actionable wisdom for chasing flow in any pursuit. Hanchey reveals the grit behind his unbreakable streak. Enjoy the show! This episode is brought to you by, Kimes Ranch, Kerry Kelly Bits & Spurs, Blue Bonnet Feeds.

Acclaimed photographer Beau Simmons at Kimes Ranch in the Fort Worth Stockyards.  Beau, known for his evocative fine art photography capturing the soul of the American West, shares his journey from fashion photography to documenting the raw, authentic lives of cowboys and cowgirls. Inspired by the mantra "when you're green, you grow; when you're ripe, you rot," Beau discusses his relentless pursuit of growth, both as an artist and a person. From staging nostalgic Americana scenes at historic venues like Gruene Hall to producing a documentary on cutting horse legend Adan Banuelos, Beau reveals the creative process behind his work, emphasizing authenticity over trends. He opens up about his transition from a troubled youth to a purpose-driven artist, the challenges of shooting on film, and the importance of building trust with the ranching community. With stories of roping horses in Palm Springs pools and capturing gritty, soulful portraits, this episode is a deep dive into the heart of Western culture, creativity, and the pursuit of a meaningful life.  This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch and Kerry Kelly Bits and Spurs. Enjoy the show!

NCHA Hall of Famer and co-host Jesse Lennox, aka "The Louis Vuitton Vaquero" is back on the show with cutting horse legend Kenny Platt. With over $4 million in lifetime earnings and an NCHA Futurity win under his belt, Kenny shares the highs and lows of his career, from his mental toughness in the show pen to the life-changing advice that shaped his journey.  Dive into raw, unfiltered stories of overcoming setbacks, the art of training great horses, and the importance of gratitude in sustaining success. Kenny reflects on his breakthrough moments, the horses that defined his career, and his vision for the future of cutting as a spectator sport. Recorded at Kimes Ranch in Fort Worth during the Summer Spectacular, this episode is packed with wisdom, humor, and heart for horse enthusiasts and anyone chasing their passion. Sponsored by Kimes Ranch and Kerry Kelly Bits and Spurs. 00:00 The Best Career Advice 03:58 Consistency in Winning 09:58 The Importance of Family and Roots 15:48 Business and Financial Management 20:02 Gratitude in Winning 26:11 Preparing for Competition 29:09 Mindset on Show Day 30:26 Navigating Challenges in Cutting Competitions 33:02 Understanding Cow Selection and Strategy 34:59 The Art of Coaching and Developing Feel 37:09 Learning Through Experience and Practice 39:52 Breakthrough Moments in Training and Showing 46:07 The Journey to Becoming a Professional Trainer 50:14 Finding Confidence in Cutting Competitions 58:06 Reflections on Winning and Expectations 01:03:32 The Importance of Showing and Timing 01:05:05 Advice: The Good and the Bad 01:06:48 Lessons from Failure and Success 01:08:43 First Fraternity Experience and Its Impact 01:14:38 Favorite Failures and Learning from Mistakes 01:16:31 What Separates Great Horses from Good Ones 01:19:05 The Nature of Horses: Personality and Drive 01:20:00 Preparing for The American Performance Horseman 01:25:40 Goals for the Derby and Competitive Mindset 01:27:34 Future of the NCHA and Potential Improvements 01:28:23 Opportunities for Young Trainers 01:29:20 Enhancing Event Prestige 01:30:46 Making Cutting More Spectator-Friendly 01:31:54 The Role of Jay and Industry Improvements 01:33:32 The Future of Cutting Competitions 01:35:16 Rapid Fire Questions and Personal Insights 01:46:09 Gratitude and Perspective on Life

Featuring NCHA Hall of Fame legend Jesse Lennox! Gripping tale of a border crossing gone awry, where a duffel bag stuffed with questionable "Vita bars" and a shaky love story about "Shelby" nearly derail his U.S. return. With sweaty palms and a stern immigration officer breathing down his neck, Jesse's quick thinking and cowboy charm make for a hilarious, edge-of-your-seat story. Jesse shares his cutting horse expertise, reflecting on high-stakes runs with lightning-fast horses like Boon San Baby and Cinca Im Hot. His hard-earned lesson—"just because you can, doesn't mean you should"—reveals the art of balancing speed, skill, and restraint in the NCHA world. Packed with humor, heart, and wisdom, this episode is a masterclass in overcoming adversity and chasing passion. Sponsored by Kimes Ranch and Kerry Kelly Bits and Spurs, The Converse Cowboy delivers raw, inspiring stories from top performers. Jesse's journey from border troubles to cutting horse glory will leave you laughing, inspired, and ready to tackle your own challenges. Don't miss this unforgettable episode that's captivated listeners everywhere. Enjoy the show!