Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing, and about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve.Today we explore the application of motivational interviewing in union strike negotiations and emphasize the significance of aligning behavior with values and delve into the challenges of compensation disparities. In this episode, we discuss: Application of motivational interviewing in union strike negotiations Importance of aligning behavior with values Addressing compensation disparities, including CEO salaries Role of empathy in reducing resistance and discord in negotiations Bridging visionary organizations and effective communication through MI Contemplating the impact of AI on negotiations and human connections You don’t want to miss this one! Make sure to rate us or share this podcast. It would mean so much to us! Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is all about you. If you have questions, thoughts, topic suggestions, or ideas, please send them our way at [email protected]. For more resources, feel free to check out ifioc.com. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below!  Hello, and welcome to the communication solution podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host, Danielle Canton. We love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations, and the communities they serve. Welcome to the communication solution that will change your world. Hi, I'm Danielle Canton, and I am here with Casey Jackson for the communication solution podcast. Hey, Casey. How are you? Good. Awesome. We are here to talk about everything motivational interviewing and how it applies to the world. And I'm very excited about today's topic because there are so many union strike negotiations happening. So what comes to mind for me is,  obviously Michigan. So that's my hometown, Detroit. So what happens in the automotive world, what happens is a trickle down effect from that.  And then of course, California, the writers. So I think it's kind of a rich topic to talk about,  motivational interviewing. So I think I'll kick it over to you. It is a fascinating topic. You know, my brain is always trying to run things through the MI lens first. And what I always think of fundamentally is, is your behavior in line with your values. And I think what's interesting from, you know, not being overly versed,  in those two current union strikes that are happening, but I was watching one of the interviews where the CEO makes 29 million and got a substantial bonus. And they're saying, they're just talking about what's a livable wage and how to raise a livable wage and how do you argue against that? And it's interesting because the CEO wouldn't really answer that question because. It's almost impossible to compare apples to apples when you're talking that kind of dollar amount and different in, in wage,  what people are making, but what I always think of is how do we peel back and go, is my behavior in line with my values? And so when I think of union workers. When they look at, you know, espousing family values, like from an organizational perspective or for  corporate perspective, you know, we're into family values and we support our work...

Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing, and about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve.In this thought-provoking podcast episode, we delve into the intersection of Motivational Interviewing (MI) and Artificial Intelligence (AI). We explore the potential implications of AI on the practice of MI, touching on topics such as emotional intelligence, genuineness, and the profound connection that occurs in human interactions. In this episode, we discuss: Exploring the profound impact of artificial intelligence on motivational interviewing. Reflecting on the potential of AI to emulate cognitive empathy, but the challenge of replicating emotional empathy. The significance of genuineness and its complexity in the realm of AI and human interaction. Considering the depth of connection and meaning that arises from genuine, soul-to-soul human interactions. Delving into the concept of spiritual intelligence and its potential role in the future of human interactions. Reflecting on the ever-evolving landscape of AI and the need to approach it with compassion as a moral compass. Embracing the role of humans as the masters of AI, recognizing the importance of individual biases and experiences. Discussing the potential for AI as a tool and the responsibility of humans to navigate it with wisdom and empathy. Playfully envisioning a podcast episode on Spiritual Intelligence (SI) as a continuation of this thought-provoking discussion. You don’t want to miss this one! Make sure to rate us or share this podcast. It would mean so much to us! Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is all about you. If you have questions, thoughts, topic suggestions, or ideas, please send them our way at [email protected]. For more resources, feel free to check out ifioc.com. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below!  Hello, and welcome to the communication solution podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host, Danielle Cantin. We love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations. Welcome to the communication solution that will change your world. Hi everyone. This is Danielle Canton. I'm facilitating the communication solution podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert, the motivational, oh gosh, motivational interviewing. I want to say nerds, experts, like the whole world of MI.  We are diving into part two,  a pretty cool conversation we had earlier about artificial intelligence. I think we started with the implications it might have on motivational interviewing, but true to form, you two took it mind blowingly huge and wide with so many great concepts. To dial in on from, from ethical to practical,  considerations around AI. So let's do part two and dig in and see if we can kind of rate it in for our viewers and listeners. Well, you know, I think that they, it just struck me. It kind of my own internal joke now is just my own. How much do I have artificial intelligence,  based on my own bias about my own knowledge basis.  So. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. That's a good meta one. I like it. intelligence is relatively artificial. You know,

Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing, and about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve.Today we delve into the intriguing intersection of motivational interviewing (MI) and artificial intelligence (AI).  In this episode, we discuss: Exploring the intersection of motivational interviewing and artificial intelligence (AI) Discussion on the influence of AI in various industries, including branding and marketing Contemplating the perception of robots as nonjudgmental and its impact on human interaction Ethical considerations surrounding the application of AI in helping professions Reflection on the potential benefits and risks of integrating AI in healthcare and behavioral interventions Debate on the balance between AI efficiency and preserving human compassion in interactions Consideration of the future implications of AI on professions like coaching and therapy You don’t want to miss this one! Make sure to rate us or share this podcast. It would mean so much to us! Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is all about you. If you have questions, thoughts, topic suggestions, or ideas, please send them our way at [email protected]. For more resources, feel free to check out ifioc.com. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below! Hello, and welcome to the communication solution podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host, Danielle Canton. We love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations. Hi, I'm Danielle Cantin here facilitating the communication solution podcast, and I'm here with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. Thanks for being here guys. Thanks for showing up, Danielle. Thank you. We're here to talk about,  another journey of motivational interviewing, everything motivational interviewing. And how it relates to everything else in the world. So, this topic is very hot. It's AI, artificial intelligence. And I find it incredibly intriguing, being in branding and marketing, and how it's overtaking that industry. Every single industry is being touched by AI and the influence of AI. And I can't help, but go back to when I first learned about motivational interviewing, you exposed me to a particular article from the journal of Medical Internet Research,  from, I think it was a scientist, the UK and Australian scientist that said,  robots are perceived. As nonjudgmental, more nonjudgmental than people. So I thought I'd kind of kick it off and hand it over to you guys to dive into everything related to AI. Oh, you know, and this is going to be a little bit meta, but what, which is perfect for AI is when I found that article, I was literally in an exercise for myself of not getting sucked into push notifications because I don't want to keep feeding the algorithms. This is just my own. Casey Jackson trying to navigate the world and not be overrun by the matrix kind of take on the, on things. And of course, so what happens, I get a push notification from CNN and the little headline on that little push notification was robots. Research shows that robots are more effective at motivation than humans. So it's like talk about meta in terms of,

Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing, and about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve.Today we are talking about applying motivational interviewing in educational settings, particularly in schools. We discuss the challenges faced by teachers and school systems, emphasizing the importance of effective communication and the potential impact it can have on students. In this episode, we discuss: Back to School Season: The relevance of motivational interviewing in the context of the back-to-school season, addressing the needs of teachers and students alike. Diversity of Training Audience: The conversation touches on the wide range of educational settings where motivational interviewing has been applied, from Headstart programs to university-level classes. Pressure on Teachers: The hosts acknowledge the increased pressures on teachers in modern times, including issues like shootings, lockdowns, and the pervasive influence of social media. Compliance vs. Behavior Change: The discussion emphasizes the distinction between compliance models and behavior change models in education, exploring their respective roles and limitations. Empowering Teachers: The hosts express the need to empower teachers with effective communication skills to foster behavior change and values-based decision-making. Impact on Students: The conversation emphasizes that motivational interviewing, even in small doses, can make students feel heard, understood, and more open to discussing their challenges. Hope and Personal Agency: The hosts discuss the importance of instilling hope and a sense of personal agency in both teachers and students, enabling them to believe in their capacity to effect positive change. Desperation in Education: The conversation touches on the desperation felt by educators, who often grapple with limited resources, time constraints, and challenges in managing a diverse range of students. You don’t want to miss this one! Make sure to rate us or share this podcast. It would mean so much to us! This is part two of a two-part podcast. Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is all about you. If you have questions, thoughts, topic suggestions, or ideas, please send them our way at [email protected]. For more resources, feel free to check out ifioc.com. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below!  Hello, and welcome to the communication solution podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host, Danielle Cantin. We love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations. And I am your facilitator of the communication solution podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. Hey guys. Hey, how are you doing? I think that an awesome topic for us to cover today is it's back to school season. And I know that both of you teach motivational interviewing and have taught many teachers and school systems. So as we're all diving back into that season, and I know so many teachers and there's so many struggles and everybody wanting to do the right thing, the best thing for our students of the world.  I thought I'd turn it over to you to see how does motivational interviewing, how can that help or assist teachers, school systems?

We hope you found value in part one of this podcast. Thank you for joining us for this second segment. We talked about motivational interviewing in behavioral health and so much more. You can find it here. Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing, and about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve. Today we continue with our very special guest, Aly Gibson, the director at Frontier Behavioral Health, a community behavioral health organization. We continue to talk with her about Motivational Interviewing concepts. In this episode, we discuss: Getting behavior in line with values Developing different pathways in the brain Acknowledging other people’s experiences Looking at trauma from a power and privilege perspective Delivering MI concepts on a broader scale The thinking Cortex part of our brain. Focus and motivation Stress and ambivalence Using MI on yourself Getting clear on who you are Cultural differences How does communication impact the human brain Difficulty maintaining access to a naive brain Reflective listening and empathy skills Aligning behavior with values Moving forward vs. staying stuck And so much more! You don’t want to miss this one! Make sure to rate us or share this podcast. It would mean so much to us! This is part two of a two-part podcast. Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is all about you. If you have questions, thoughts, topic suggestions, or ideas, please send them our way at [email protected]. For more resources, feel free to check out ifioc.com. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below! We hope you found value in part one of this podcast. Thank you for joining us for the second segment. Hello and welcome to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host. Danielle Cantin here at the Institute for Individual and Organizational Change, otherwise known as IFIOC. We love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations, and the communities they serve. Welcome to the communication solution that will change your world.Oh, I love that. I love that you're a mix of all of it. And it is, I laugh sometimes cuz there's a couple of phrases I keep reminding myself of. Feels ain't real. . Yeah. Really? Yeah. Aren't real. And so I have to remind myself of that and then I also love that. Okay, cool.Danielle, this is awesome. That sucked. And, you've got 10 minutes to have like a full on pity party. . Yes. And like putting it in a container of time or something can remember. I'm so glad I'm not the only person that does that. I literally am like, okay, timer set. Okay. Yes. And we're done. Like, let's move forward.That reminds me of a one-liner and a conference. I heard, there was this activity we did. The facilitator said, we're gonna allow you to whine, but we don't allow you to marinate in it. So and I lo I just love that, that it's like, yeah, you can, you can get it out and then you're done. Like there's no marination.

Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing, and about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve. This is part 1 of two part podcast about motivational interviewing in behavioral health. Today we have a very special guest, Aly Gibson, the director at Frontier Behavioral Health, a community behavioral health organization, and we’re talking about Motivational Interviewing Concepts. In this episode we discuss: Casey’s professional relationship with Aly Gibson Aly’s role at Frontier Behavioral Health as the Director of Child and Family Outpatient Downtown and the WISE Program, a wraparound with Intensive Services for Youth Aly’s work with the youth Medicaid population ranges from very acute to very severe issues Aly’s very first train trainer training with Casey How Motivational Interviewing is part of Aly’s life now How MI helped Aly feel less stressed, less torn in all directions, and more confident Alignment with deeper values The four processes in the third edition of Miller and Rollnick’s Motivation book The World Values Index The whole Focus Mountain concept Goals and ultimate values The behavior is in alignment with values Life’s complexity Executive functioning Resistance and sustained talk Emotional reactions Delusional happiness and connection Quality of life and relationships And so much more! You don’t want to miss this one! Make sure to rate us or share this podcast. It would mean so much to us! This has been part one of a two-part podcast. We hope you’ll join us for the second portion. Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is all about you. If you have questions, thoughts, topic suggestions, or ideas, please send them our way at [email protected]. For more resources, feel free to check out ifioc.com. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below! Hello and welcome to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host Danielle Cantin. We love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations, and the communities they serve.Welcome to the communication solution that will change your world. Hi listeners, this is Danielle Canton. We are here with the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert, and we're here to talk about motivational interviewing. It is has become one of my favorite topics. This approach is being used to transform companies, help so many people in this episode Today, what I wanted to do, Casey and John, is dive in a little bit as you're experts in motivational interviewing, helping companies.How do you actually use this approach in your personal life? Is it possible to use motivational interviewing for your personal growth and development? I'm kind of a geek around stuff like that, so I learn about this and I'm like, I wanna use it on myself and everybody I know. So it's, you know, I would almost differentiate between using it on ourselves and using it for, you know, when you're communicating with other people.

We hope you found value in part one of this podcast. Thank you for joining us for this second segment.  Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing, and about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve. Today we discuss motivational interviewing for personal growth and development. In this episode we discuss: Motivational interviewing approach for our own growth Personalities  Pre-thinking about change Self-reflection Behavior change  Resistance or pushback  Blaming and excuses Dunning Kruger effect  Values and behavior Reconciliation Motivational Interviewing and Cultural Constructivism  Stress and pressure  Difference between coping and navigating skills  Peace of mind and fulfillment in life Context and culture Blueprint and structure  And so much more! You don’t want to miss this one! Make sure to rate us or share this podcast. It would mean so much to us! This has been part two of a two-part podcast. Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is about empowering you on your journey to change the world. So if you have questions, suggestions, or ideas, send them our way at [email protected], that's [email protected]. For more information or to schedule a training visit IFIOC.com until our next Communication Solution podcast keep changing the world. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below! We hope you found value in part one of this podcast. Thank you for joining us for this second segment. Hello and welcome to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host. Danielle Cantin here at the Institute for Individual and Organizational Change, otherwise known as IFIOC. We love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations, and the communities they serve. Welcome to the communication solution that will change your world. Hello, welcome everyone to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I am Danielle Canton, and I'm thrilled to be here. We had another podcast where we dove into how do you use, is it possible to use motivational interviewing for your own personal growth and development? And if you didn't listen to the previous podcast, yes. The answer is yes. Oh my gosh. It's gonna be essential, and it's so. such an incredible approach, but what that did was really reveal how much more there is to talk about this. Yes. So Casey and John, you're here. Let's dig in and what else can we explore around this idea of really using, motivational interviewing to help us in our, our own growth? John, I'm gonna kick it straight to you. You had 15 different thoughts when we're wrapping up, so I'll let you just start unfolding all 15 . Oh, we'll see how clear I can be. But Casey, you had talked about culture, you had talked about blaming outside of yourself, and what went through my mind too is this thing of certain personalities are gonna be more apt...

Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing, and about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve. Today we discuss motivational interviewing for personal growth and development. In this episode we discuss: Motivational interviewing approach for personal growth and development Behavior alignment with values  Viable core constructs within motivational interviewing  The importance, confident ruler  Lifestyle Commitment  Choices and behavior change Method of communication Health and wellbeing Values and goals Social-cultural perspective Potential for conflict and growth Decision making Creating resistance Relationships and parenting Control and alignment Ambivalence Blueprint or structure for life And so much more! You don’t want to miss this one! Make sure to rate us or share this podcast. It would mean so much to us! This has been part one of a two-part podcast. We hope you'll join us for the second portion. Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is about empowering you on your journey to change the world. So if you have questions, suggestions, or ideas, send them our way at [email protected], that's [email protected]. For more information or to schedule a training visit IFIOC.com until our next Communication Solution podcast keep changing the world. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below! Hello and welcome to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host Danielle Cantin. We love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations, and the communities they serve. Welcome to the communication solution that will change your world. Hi listeners, this is Danielle Canton. We are here with the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert, and we're here to talk about motivational interviewing. It is has become one of my favorite topics. This approach is being used to transform companies, help so many people in this episode Today, what I wanted to do, Casey and John, is dive in a little bit as you're experts in motivational interviewing, helping companies. How do you actually use this approach in your personal life? Is it possible to use motivational interviewing for your personal growth and development? I'm kind of a geek around stuff like that, so I learn about this and I'm like, I wanna use it on myself and everybody I know. So it's, you know, I would almost differentiate between using it on ourselves and using it for, you know, when you're communicating with other people. I what I'll just kinda launch with my thoughts and John dive in. In terms of, if you break it down to the basic construct of motivational interviewing, it is, is behavior in alignment with values. So if you just take it there, then motivational being itself gets into how do you communicate to orchestrate that, facilitate that. For long-term sustained behavior change.

We hope you found value in part one of this podcast. Thank you for joining us for this second segment.  Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing, and about improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve. Today we continue to focus on the unfortunate murders in Idaho, at the University of Idaho, through the lens of motivational Interviewing. In this episode tragedy in Idaho through the lens of Motivational Interviewing, we discuss: Compassion when living with trauma The University of Idaho's situation Compassion from an MI perspective Primary trauma and secondary trauma  Compassion distinguished from empathy Perspective of law enforcement  Law enforcement survival in civilian survival and community safety The difference between reflective listening and high accurate empathy Human thought and behavior Extremely complex, high pressured situations  Strategically responding to language Evidence-based practices that change data  Vision and mission statements How to get behavior in line with values Looking at the human brain from a different perspective Gratification Job satisfaction And so much more! You don’t want to miss this one! Make sure to rate us or share this podcast. It would mean so much to us! This is part two of a two-part podcast. Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is about empowering you on your journey to change the world. So if you have questions, suggestions, or ideas, send them our way at [email protected], that’s [email protected]. For more information or to schedule a training visit if IFIOC.com until our next Communication Solution podcast keep changing the world. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below! We hope you found value in part one of this podcast. Thank you for joining us for this second segment. Hello and welcome to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host, Danielle Cantin, here at the Institute for Individual and Organizational Change, otherwise known as IFIOC we love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations, and the communities they serve. Welcome to the communication solution that will change your world. What's going through my mind is this thread that Casey, to me, you just brought up with a secondary trauma. It's like, how do you, regardless of of the work, it could be a officer that's dealing with this level of stress. It could be a mental health social worker dealing with secondary trauma. How do you have compassion in your work when you're constantly you know, a sense of feeling the trauma or actually traumatized with a secondary trauma. it's so different to live it versus talk about it on like a podcast like this. And I want 'em to just bring that up because mi is a way of, of expressing compassion for another human being. You could say, well, I'm expressing compassion by pulling them off of the bridge.

Welcome to today’s episode of The Communication Solution podcast with Casey Jackson, John Gilbert, and Danielle Cantin. We love talking about Motivational Interviewing and improving outcomes for individuals, organizations, and the communities that they serve. Today we are talking about a tragedy in Idaho, current events focusing on the unfortunate murders in Idaho, at the University of Idaho, through the lens of motivational Interviewing. In this episode tragedy in Idaho through the lens of Motivational Interviewing, we discuss: Casey’s consulting with the hostage negotiations team on a monthly basis The scenario of what happened at the University of Idaho The phenomenal podcast with Lieutenant Steve Wall from the Spokane Police Department Difficulties of finding a jury in those situations  Stress, frustration, exhaustion, and anger The human brain and the choices that it makes  Casey’s work doing substance use treatment in state and federal prisons Difference between behavior and intention Ambivalence and remorse Social conscience Premeditation How to get better outcomes Law enforcement, MI and de-escalation Individual mindsets Grief and empathy Stress and trauma Emotions and control And so much more! This is part one of a two-part podcast. We hope you’ll join us for the second portion. Thank you for listening to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. As always, this podcast is about empowering you on your journey to change the world. So if you have questions, suggestions, or ideas, send them our way at [email protected], that’s [email protected]. For more information or to schedule a training visit IFIOC.com until our next Communication Solution podcast keeps changing the world. Join MI PLUS+ Want a transcript? See below! Hello and welcome to the Communication Solution Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host Danielle Cantin. We love to talk about communication. We love to talk about solutions, and we love to talk about providing measurable results for individuals, organizations. And the communities they serve. Welcome to the communication solution that will change your world. Hi, and welcome to the Communications Solutions Podcast with Casey Jackson and John Gilbert. I'm your host Danielle, and we actually wanna take a look at motivational interviewing through. Through a lens of current events. So often as a newbie to motivational interviewing, I find myself applying it to everything in business, in mental health, in every area of life. And of course, what comes to mind is current events, things that are in the news, things that are top of mind, creating conversations out there in the world and, and concern. So I recently heard, in terms of a current event about, Someone reaching out to you, Casey, and you've been hired to consult with the hostage negotiation team and I was wondering if you'd be willing to dive in and talk a bit through, talk a bit about the unfortunate murders in Idaho, at the University of Idaho and what's happening there, and kind of talk to us about that situation through the lens of motivational Interviewing. It's, I mean, it's just such a complex concept. So yeah, I think it's fairly fresh in my mind for multiple reasons. You know, I just was asked to join this monthly,