In this special bonus episode we make a couple of overdue announcements, take you with us to an award ceremony in Cardiff, and profess our undying love for our listeners. Would you like to join us on The C Word team? Get in touch! 00:57 We’re having a break - and we’re recruiting! 07:31 We’ve got an award 09:21 Recording from The 30(ish) Awards 17:50 Dear Jane teaser 18:51 Patreon shout out Show Notes: - Recruitment page: https://thecword.show/recruitment/ - The 30(ish) Awards winners: https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/alumni/features/30ish-awards-2023 - Dear Jane cotton bud video: https://youtu.be/lZg8hNajdQg Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson and Kloe Rumsey. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

In this one we talk to Professor Aviva Burnstock about what paintings can be and we chat with Polly Saltmarsh about communicating conservation and the joys of sticky toffee pudding sauce. Also tune in for a review of ‘On Canvas: Preserving the Structure of Paintings’ by Stephen Hackney from Kloe. 03:48 When is a painting a painting? 10:05 On the nature of painted surfaces 13:13 How students might approach a painting 16:20 A chat about varnish 27:39 The joy of microscopy 28:39 Gut feelings and forgeries 34:06 Interview with Polly Saltmarsh 48:03 Review: On Canvas 52:28 Patreon appeal Show Notes: - The Courtauld Institute of Art: https://courtauld.ac.uk/ - Art and Artifice fakes exhibition: https://courtauld.ac.uk/whats-on/art-and-artifice-fakes-from-the-collection/ - Fake or Fortune: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mxxz6 - Polly’s website: https://www.paintingsconservation.co.uk/ - Reopening the National Portrait Gallery: https://www.npg.org.uk/blog/road-to-reopening - On Canvas: https://shop.getty.edu/products/on-canvas-preserving-the-structure-of-paintings-978-1606066263?variant=29175364157517 Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Aviva Burnstock. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We’re joined by special guest host Cass Fino-Radin as we talk about time-based media: what it can be, what the challenges are, and what we can do to preserve it. From mechanical components to maintaining software, we geek out about everything that’s wonderful about this type of conservation. Also tune in for a review of poetry pamphlet ‘Accessioning’ by Charlotte Wetton. 00:21 A long-time spreadsheet idea 02:44 A potted history of time-based media (maybe) 05:41 Conservation of performance art 10:26 The wildest thing about time-based media 12:40 Cass’ origin story 22:36 Blurry objects and things going off 27:54 More suggestions for what time-based media is 30:55 Old vs new technology 36:56 What makes a good time-based media conservator? 40:03 Review: Accessioning 44:54 Patreon appeal Show Notes: - Art and Obsolescence podcast: https://www.artandobsolescence.com/ - Cass’ website: https://finoradin.info/ - Pip Laurenson: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/art-history/people/academic-staff/professor-pip-laurenson - Episode with Glenn Wharton: https://www.artandobsolescence.com/episodes/005-glenn-wharton - MoMA Media and Performance department: https://www.moma.org/about/curatorial-departments/media-performance - S05E03 Contemporary Art: https://thecword.show/2019/04/17/s05e03-contemporary-art/ - Episode with Annet Dekker: https://www.artandobsolescence.com/episodes/043-annet-dekker - Rhizome: https://rhizome.org/ - AIC 40th annual meeting in Albuquerque (2012): https://www.culturalheritage.org/docs/default-source/publications/periodicals/annual-meeting/2012-annual-meeting-abstracts.pdf?sfvrsn=1dbb1699_8 - Cass’ company Small Data Industries: https://smalldata.industries/ - Cooper Hewitt: https://www.cooperhewitt.org/ - S09E05 Dynamic Objects: https://thecword.show/2021/05/19/s09e05-dynamic-objects/ - S06E03 The One with the Arduino: https://thecword.show/2019/10/16/s06e03-the-one-with-the-arduino/ - S01E09 Museum Pi: https://thecword.show/2017/06/21/s01e09-museum-pi/ - Time-based media according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_and_restoration_of_time-based_media_art - Planetary app case study: https://www.cooperhewitt.org/2019/05/16/planetary-cooper-hewitts-first-ios-app/ - Accessioning poetry pamphlet: https://theemmapress.com/shop/poetry/pamphlets/accessioning/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Cass Fino-Radin. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

In this episode Jenny and Kloe address a correction before launching into a takeover special: join Kloe, Nerys Rudder and Jane Henderson as they go to the ‘Changing the World: Approach, Strategy and the Future of University Museums’ UMG conference and run around the newly refurbished Manchester Museum. 03:55 A correction from Jane 07:13 Other comments from listeners 12:19 Three conservators go to a conference 55:28 Patreon appeal Show Notes: - Manchester Museum: https://www.museum.manchester.ac.uk/ - UMG Spring Conference 2023: http://universitymuseumsgroup.org/events/save-the-date-manchester-2023/ - S13E02 Accreditation Part 1: https://thecword.show/2023/04/05/s13e02-accreditation-part-1/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, Jane Henderson and Nerys Rudder. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

Together with special co-host Alison Lister we explore the private sector: from our workspaces to how we learn on the job. Join us for a catch-up on Jenny’s adventures in business, along with Kloe’s commercial experience and Alison’s passionate call for us all to share more. Bridget Mitchell tells us about finding joy in your business and the power of positive thinking. Also tune in for an audio tour of Jenny’s workspace and a round-up of the Museums + Heritage Show in London. 00:00:42 Wait, are we talking business again? 00:05:16 The old museum vs business conundrum 00:09:27 The importance of Time 00:15:48 What does a conservation space look like? 00:18:42 Why we need to make a fuss 00:27:55 Private practice is people work 00:33:13 How could we be supported to share more? 00:35:18 Training and professional development 00:46:26 The future of private practice 00:49:49 Jenny’s round-up of the Museums + Heritage Show and Icon meet-up 00:55:18 Interview with Bridget Mitchell 01:04:43 Tour of Jenny’s workspace 01:12:07 Patreon appeal Show Notes: - S11E04 Building a Business: https://thecword.show/2022/05/04/s11e04-building-a-business/ - S02E03 Freelancing: https://thecword.show/2017/09/22/s02e03-freelancing/ - Alison’s company: https://textileconservation.co.uk/ - S09E08 Dyes in Conservation: https://thecword.show/2021/06/30/s09e08-dyes-in-conservation/ - Secrets of the National Trust: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrets_of_the_National_Trust - Hidden Treasures of the National Trust (the one Jenny actually meant): https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/discover/film-tv/hidden-treasures-of-the-national-trust - Secrets of the Museum: https://www.vam.ac.uk/info/secrets-of-the-museum - The Repair Shop: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08l581p - Kickstart Scheme: https://www.kickstart-uk.com/ - S01E01 Demographics: https://thecword.show/2017/02/15/demographics/ - Museums + Heritage Show: https://show.museumsandheritage.com/ - Plowden winner Julie Dawson: https://www.icon.org.uk/resource/icon-emeritus-member-julie-dawson-wins-prestigious-plowden-medal-for-conservation.html - Marsh Charitable Trust awards: https://www.icon.org.uk/resource/winners-marsh-awards-for-conservation-2023.html - Follow Bridget on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/arcapreservation/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Alison Lister. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We’re joined by special guest host Stella Toonen as we explore a topic with many synonyms: public programming, outreach, adult learning, and so many more! We get enthused about ideas for events that conservation can get in on, and talk about the many pitfalls – and benefits – of co-creation in museums. 01:06 What’s this episode about? 03:52 Stella’s outreach journey 05:50 Kloe’s experiences facilitating events 09:39 Jenny’s experiences working with the public 13:27 Growing audiences and different offers 19:40 Examples of events for grown-ups 25:44 Saddling an artist with the work of museums 28:53 Stella’s research around co-creation 35:09 Involve conservators early! 38:02 Inspo for learning events 46:03 Comments, questions, and corrections 53:49 Patreon appeal and shout out Show Notes: - Follow Stella here: https://twitter.com/StellaToonen - Stella’s website: https://stellatoonencom.wordpress.com/ - S11E03 Working with Learning: https://thecword.show/2022/04/20/s11e03-working-with-learning/ - Heritage Open Days: https://www.heritageopendays.org.uk/ - S05E06 Touchy Feely: https://thecword.show/2019/05/29/s05e06-touchy-feely/ - Ladder of Participation explained: https://organizingengagement.org/models/ladder-of-citizen-participation/ - Tania Bruguera at the Tate: https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/tania-bruguera-11982 - Tate: https://www.tate.org.uk/ - The Whitworth: https://www.whitworth.manchester.ac.uk/ - Queens Museum: https://queensmuseum.org/ - Awards, grants and scholarships mentioned for students: https://www.artsscholars.org/awards-grants-scholarships Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Stella Toonen. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We’re joined by curator Karen Logan as we talk about working with collections that stir up emotions and recent memories: from The Troubles in Northern Ireland to Brexit and activism. Also tune in for Kloe’s thoughts and feelings on human remains and other displays as she visited Egypt in February. 04:00 How did this episode come about? 08:26 What are The Troubles? 15:40 What to include 18:10 Contemporary collecting 23:40 Including people is powerful 26:11 Audience differences 27:50 Collecting Brexit 32:24 Responding to challenges 39:49 Kloe’s visit to NMEC 47:20 Patreon appeal and shout out Show Notes: - National Museums NI: https://www.nationalmuseumsni.org/ - The Troubles according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles - Collecting The Troubles and Beyond: https://www.nationalmuseumsni.org/resources/collecting-troubles-and-beyond - Collecting Cultures by NHLF: https://www.heritagefund.org.uk/about/insight/evaluation/collecting-cultures-evaluation - PHM collecting: https://phm.org.uk/collections/ - James Ellis (actor): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ellis_(actor) - Nothing About Us Without Us exhibition: https://phm.org.uk/exhibitions/nothing-about-us-without-us/ - National Museum of Egyptian Civilization: https://nmec.gov.eg/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Karen Logan. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We have a chat amongst ourselves about the process of becoming an accredited conservator, as seen by two mid-career people staring at the application form in fear and distress. This episode contains snippets of both Jenny’s and Kloe’s thoughts on the very early stages of getting ready to even apply, being on the Pathway (PACR), and some of the notable barriers. Kloe also interviews Heather Doyle about how accreditation works and how it will be changing, and Dear Jane handles a question about how to pitch for more hours of work. 00:00:33 Jenny’s long road on the Pathway 00:05:38 Kloe’s speed-run 00:11:26 The murky history of accreditation 00:16:01 Evidence is everything 00:21:27 Reasons to go for it 00:23:41 Specialisms are made up 00:29:50 Jenny frets about things after a workshop 00:32:36 Kloe’s commitment 00:37:17 Kloe’s anxiety about specialisms and forms 00:40:49 Kloe’s confused about mentors 00:42:08 Kloe discovers the Pathway 00:43:35 Kloe’s funding issues 00:45:20 Interview with Heather Doyle 01:12:56 Postscript (sort of) 01:16:18 Dear Jane 01:23:59 Patreon shout out and appeal Show Notes: - All about Icon accreditation: https://www.icon.org.uk/accreditation.html - The Conservation Register: https://www.conservationregister.com/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson and Kloe Rumsey. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

We talk to community-building conservator Melissa King about nurturing communication between collections care professionals and the growing preservation community at Conserv. Jenny also talks to heritage consultant Sarah Marsom about being a moderator online, and to chief exec Sara Crofts about Icon’s use of Discord and Basecamp. Don’t forget to tune in for a Dear Jane about getting some conservation experience in South Africa! 00:02:15 Web based communities and conservation 00:04:27 Whatever happened to forums? 00:09:44 Different ways and levels of engaging 00:10:50 Kloe feels clueless (but isn’t really) 00:16:39 Developing communities for different audiences 00:20:05 Platform options out there 00:25:09 Being too afraid to post 00:31:11 Kloe joins the Conserv community 00:37:26 Jenny wants a Mastodon instance for conservators 00:40:17 Interview with Sarah Marsom 00:53:40 Interview with Sara Crofts 01:04:50 Dear Jane 01:12:24 Patreon shout out and funding plea Show Notes: - Join the Conserv Community here: https://community.conserv.io/join?invitation_token=18de977edaf111954e06b897a6ab0356181e1c1a-97dcab76-66ae-4e51-8831-e2d9f5d886f4 - Conserv: https://bit.ly/3TvkFfB - S09E04 Environmental Monitoring: https://thecword.show/2021/05/05/s09e04-environmental-monitoring/ - Conserv’s upcoming conference: https://conserv.io/preservation-matters-2023/ - Conservation DistList archives: https://cool.culturalheritage.org/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/ - Global Conservation Forum: https://community.culturalheritage.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=ea3d002c-9fc3-4446-b7d2-c308f5faed13 - Online communities as defined by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_community - Connecting to Collections Care community: https://connectingtocollections.org/ - ConCode: https://www.concode.info/ - A quick guide to Facebook Groups: https://www.lifewire.com/facebook-groups-4103720 - Discord: https://discord.com/ - Slack: https://slack.com/ - Circle: https://circle.so/ - Cardiff Conservation Graduates FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/132162183909/ - FREELANCE Conservators in Private Practice FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1679578638848189/ - Art Conservation Advocates FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/artconservationadvocates/ - Reddit’s /r/MuseumPros: https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumPros/ - Reddit’s /r/ArtConservation: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtConservation/ - A succinct explanation to the Fediverse: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/f924e846c24ec7ed82d6d554a7e7c9a8 - The GLAM server on Mastodon: https://glammr.us/ - Sarah Marsom: https://www.sarahmarsom.com/ - Historic Preservation Professionals FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/PreservationProfessionals - National Council of Public History on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/publichistorians - Basecamp: https://basecamp.com/ - Example of Cex Drop-In Session via Icon: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/cex-drop-in-session-april-2023-2.html - ICOM-CC open access papers treasure trove: https://www.icom-cc-publications-online.org/ - Studies in Conservation: https://www.iiconservation.org/publications/sic - JAIC: https://www.culturalheritage.org/publications/journal-(jaic) - JIC: https://www.icon.org.uk/resources/journal-of-the-institute-of-conservation.html - AICCM Bulletin: https://aiccm.org.au/publications/aiccm-bulletin/ - Thoughts on commercial taxidermy skills: https://blogs.cardiff.ac.uk/conservation/2310-2/ - Connect with Monique Vajifdar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/monique-vajifdar-470025211/ - South African Museums Association: https://samuseums.co.za/ Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Melissa King. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2023.

As we huddle up in a pew with Dr Sarah Turner we talk about Christmas in cathedrals, play a parlour game of Five Things, and make some predictions for the year ahead. Kloe talks to Beth Gillions about her time as a caretaker at Westminster Chapel in winter, and Todd Wright sings our rendition of ‘Silent Night’ for some extra feels. Also tune in for a review of ‘National Treasures: Saving the Nation’s Art in World War II’ from Jenny and a Dear Jane about pre-programme experience in the US. Happy holidays! 02:02 Uses of church spaces and collections around Christmas 08:59 Five Things parlour game 19:00 Annual predictions 24:19 Interview with Beth Gillions 32:27 Install Night (Christmas song) 34:22 Review: National Treasures 37:30 Dear Jane Show Notes: - Canterbury Cathedral: https://www.canterbury-cathedral.org/ - Lambeth conference: https://www.lambethconference.org/ - Vestments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestment - Liturgical colours: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgical_colours - Jenny’s favourite Disney film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunchback_of_Notre_Dame_(1996_film) - Westminster Chapel: https://westminsterchapel.org.uk/ - More music by Todd Wright (our singer this year): https://open.spotify.com/artist/4774AfmqyBy6472bdgGD5F - National Treasures by Caroline Shenton: https://www.carolineshenton.co.uk/book/national-treasures-saving-the-nations-art-in-world-war-ii/ - Example of online volunteering (in the UK): https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/about/get-involved/volunteering/volunteering-opportunities/remote-opportunities/ - Repair cafe movement: https://www.repaircafe.org/en/ - State of NC Internship Program: https://ncadmin.nc.gov/public/internship-program-2023 *** Install Night (vocals by Todd Wright, lyrics by Kloe Rumsey, Beth Gillions, and Morgan Fox) Install night, loans done right Objects in crates, snug and tight, Weatherproof, padded with Plastazote foam, Labelled sections in temporary homes Acclimate them for install Acclimate them for install Install night, gloves in sight Forms laid out on which couriers will write, No change occurred on the journey here Loan reports for take-down next year Per diem and a budget meal Per diem and a budget meal *** Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Dr Sarah Turner. Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license. A Wooden Dice production, 2022.