On this episode Amber talks with visionary Artistic Director (of True Colors Theatre in Atl, GA) Jamil Jude about how he is revolutionizing the way the American Theatre interacts with new Black work - by creating an incredible program with five other collaborating partners across the country called The Drinking Gourd: Black Writers at Work. Listen to hear him announce the first two commissions of that program as well as new play plans that are cooking up for next season! We talk about the gestation of that program and how it came to be, the work of the incredible team at True Colors and how Jamil makes his schedule work as a freelance artist, Artistic Director and dad. We also talk about the road to long term sustainability for non profit theatre and how PWIs (Predominantly White Institutions) need to crawl before they can walk.