In this episode, Amber chats with George Staib, a new collaborator and founder of Staibdance about dramaturging dance, artist care and artist agency as well as how we share leadership. We discuss the ways in which Staibdance has evolved over the years, how George keeps the work and creative process fresh and exciting, and how the dancers he works with have become his collaborating partners. We also discuss our developing dance dramaturgy collaboration on Staibdance's newest piece ARARAT.  And finally, we talk about competition and the art of letting go.