*Content Warning: infidelity, physical abuse, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, and murder.Jenn Holman is a survivor, mother, and faithful family woman living in Idaho by way of Southern California. Jenn’s path first crossed with Amy Chesler’s over eighteen years ago when she began dating Amy’s brother. Jenn has chosen to address him as Jesse in this episode, although Amy referred to her brother as ‘Rory’ in Something Was Wrong Season 7. Jenn’s relationship with Jesse began a year and a few months prior to Amy’s mother’s murder. Although Amy was privy to a portion of what Jenn will share in this conversation, some of the more explicit details of the abuse Jenn faced evaded them as a family. Through this interview, Amy also learned a lot more about the night her mother was murdered. Amy is grateful for Jenn’s bravery in sharing, and is personally deeply grateful she was willing to divulge so much about her experiences. It may have taken Amy & Jenn nearly eighteen years to have this conversation, but as Hippocrates said, “Healing is a matter of time, but it is sometimes also a matter of opportunity.”Related Links:- Jenn on X: https://x.com/jennjenn10- Season 7 of Something Was Wrong: https://somethingwaswrong.com/season-7/- [WCN Presents] SWW Season 7 Updates Part 1: https://podcasts.apple.com/zw/podcast/amy-b-chesler-evil-lives-here-this-sh-t-doesnt-end/id1674051643?i=1000602598564- [WCN Presents] SWW Season 7 Updates Part 2: https://podcasts.apple.com/zw/podcast/amy-b-chesler-evil-lives-here-the-darkest-times-are/id1674051643?i=1000612743331- Petition: Keep Jesse Winnick in Prison: https://www.change.org/p/sign-to-keep-jesse-winnick-in-prison-in-loving-memory-of-hadas-winnick- Evil Lives Here: Season 11, Episode 2 - “What if He Gets Out?” https://www.hbomax.com/is/en/shows/evil-lives-here/s11/92560c9b-551c-4fe8-82aa-ae5e023e2d69/e2-what-if-he-gets-out/5d9627e6-fdd8-40f3-8d48-c07e5fdfac0c- I’m Related to a Killer: Season 1, Episode 1 - “Jesse Winnick”https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0DG1DJQG9/ref=atv_hm_hom_c_lZOsi7_1_34?jic=8%7CEgNhbGw%3D- HBO Max’s Toxic, Season 2, Episode 1 - “Don’t Go Home”https://www.hbomax.com/show/33977981-2e30-45d2-98c6-3145f9c40b33/s2For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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*Content Warning: sexual assault, rideshare-facilitated sexual assault, fatphobia, and rape.Free + Confidential Resources + Safety Tips: somethingwaswrong.com/resources   SWW Sticker Shop!: https://brokencyclemedia.com/sticker-shop SWW S26 Theme Song & Artwork: The S26 cover art is by the Amazing Sara Stewart instagram.com/okaynotgreat/  Follow Something Was Wrong: Website: somethingwaswrong.com  IG: instagram.com/somethingwaswrongpodcast TikTok: tiktok.com/@somethingwaswrongpodcast  Follow Tiffany Reese: Website: tiffanyreese.me  IG: instagram.com/lookieboo *Sources: - Associated Press. “Uber Liable for Sexual Assault of Passenger, Jury Finds.” AP News, 2 Apr. 2024, https://apnews.com/article/uber-sexual-assault-liable-f2aaf57a2b88948107acfcf11ebc0813.- Bousso, Ron. “Lyft Reports More Than 4,000 Sexual Assaults in 2019 Safety Report.” Fortune, 22 Oct. 2021, https://fortune.com/2021/10/22/lyft-4000-sexual-assaults-2019-safety-report.- California Secretary of State. “California Secretary of State Shirley N. Weber, Ph.D., Announces Proponent Withdraws Initiative to Expand Liability and Impose Duties on Rideshare Companies Regarding Sexual Misconduct.” California Secretary of State, 25 June 2026, https://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2026-news-releases-and-advisories/california-secretary-state-shirley-n-weber-phd-announces-proponent-withdraws-initiative-expand-liability-and-impose-duties-rides.- “CNN: 103 Uber Drivers Accused of Sexual Assault or Abuse.” CBS News, 30 Apr. 2018, https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/cnn-103-uber-drivers-accused-of-sexual-assault-or-abuse/.- Lyft, Inc. Annual Report Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (Form 10-K). U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, 2026,https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1759509/000162828026006960/lyft-20251231.htm- Uber. “U.S. Safety Report.” Uber, https://www.uber.com/us/en/about/reports/us-safety-report- “Uber Faces Lawsuit Over Alleged Sexual Assaults by Drivers.” Los Angeles Times, 21 July 2016, https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-uber-la-assault-20160721-snap-story.html- U.S. Government Accountability Office. Ridesharing and Taxi Safety: Information on Assaults against Drivers and Passengers. GAO-24-106742, 22 Feb. 2024, https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106742.- U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. “Form 10-K.” SEC.gov, 2019, https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1543151/000095012319002420/filename1.htm

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*Content Warning:  neglect, rejection, friendship betrayal, betrayal, and infidelity.Free + Confidential Resources + Safety Tips: somethingwaswrong.com/resources   SWW Sticker Shop!: https://brokencyclemedia.com/sticker-shop SWW S26 Theme Song & Artwork: The S26 cover art is by the Amazing Sara Stewart instagram.com/okaynotgreat/  Follow Something Was Wrong: Website: somethingwaswrong.com  IG: instagram.com/somethingwaswrongpodcast TikTok: tiktok.com/@somethingwaswrongpodcast  Follow Tiffany Reese: Website: tiffanyreese.me  IG: instagram.com/lookieboo Follow Dr. Rebecca Schwartz-Mette: Research - https://ubwp.buffalo.edu/birch Faculty Page: https://arts-sciences.buffalo.edu/psychology/faculty/faculty-directory.host.html/content/shared/arts-sciences/psychology/faculty-staff/faculty-profiles/schwartz-mette-rebecca.html Book - https://www.combinedacademic.co.uk/author/rebecca-a-schwartz-mette/ Therapy Page: https://www.meridianpractice.org/staff/beccaschwartzmette *Sources:  Abrams, Zara. “The Science of Why Friendships Keep Us Healthy.” Monitor on Psychology, vol. 54, no. 4, 1 June 2023, American Psychological Association, https://www.apa.org/monitor/2023/06/cover-story-science-friendship Choukas-Bradley, Sophia. “Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria: The Actual Research.” Psychology Today, 29 Apr. 2026, https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/if-i-be-waspish/202604/rejection-sensitivity-dysphoria-the-actual-research Degges-White, Suzanne. “Not All Friendships Last Forever.” Psychology Today, 29 June 2017, https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/lifetime-connections/201706/not-all-friendships-last-forever Dong, Kaixi et al. “The Relationship Between Co-rumination and Depressive Symptoms: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis.” Journal of youth and adolescence vol. 54,6 (2025): 1551-1569. doi:10.1007/s10964-025-02140-9. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39891852/  “Doomscrolling and Its Effects on the Brain.” American Brain Foundation, 15 Apr. 2025, https://www.americanbrainfoundation.org/doomscrolling-and-its-effects-on-the-brain/ Gillis, Kaytee. “How Our Trauma History Can Affect Our Friendships.” Psychology Today, 23 May 2025, https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/invisible-bruises/202504/how-our-trauma-history-can-affect-our-friendships Google Scholar. “Google Scholar Profile: Dr. Rebecca Schwartz-Mette,” https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=4LNWZdcAAAAJ&hl=en Leary, Mark R. “Emotional responses to interpersonal rejection.” Dialogues in clinical neuroscience vol. 17,4 (2015): 435-41. doi:10.31887/DCNS.2015.17.4/mleary https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4734881/ Nelson, Jocelyn. “When a Friend Hurts You: Coping With Friendship Betrayal.” The Family Institute at Northwestern University, 29 June 2026, https://www.family-institute.org/behavioral-health-resources/when-friend-hurts-you-coping-friendship-betrayal Novotni, Michele. “Making Friends with Autism Spectrum Disorder and ADHD.” ADDitude, https://www.additudemag.com/making-friends-autism-spectrum-disorder-adhd/ Ruiz, Wawie D G, and Homer J Yabut. “Autonomy and identity: the role of two developmental tasks on adolescent's wellbeing.” Frontiers in psychology vol. 15 1309690. 10 Apr. 2024, doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1309690 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11042260/ Satici, Seydi Ahmet et al. “Doomscrolling Scale: its Association with Personality Traits, Psychological Distress, Social Media Use, and Wellbeing.” Applied research in quality of life vol. 18,2 (2023): 833-847. doi:10.1007/s11482-022-10110-7 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9580444/ Schwartz-Mette, Rebecca A. Depression in Childhood and Adolescence: A Guide for Practitioners. Momentum Press, 2016. Schwartz-Mette, Rebecca A., and Amanda J. Rose. “Co-Rumination Mediates Contagion of Internalizing Symptoms within Youths’ Friendships.” Developmental Psychology, vol. 48, no. 5, 2012, pp. 1355–1365. https://doi.org/10.1037/a0027484 Schwartz-Mette, Rebecca A., et al. “Relations of Friendship Experiences with Depressive Symptoms and Loneliness in Childhood and Adolescence: A Meta-Analytic Review.” Psychological Bulletin, vol. 146, no. 8, 2020, pp. 664–700. https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000239 Wallace, Anna Kodé. "Why Friendship Betrayal Feels Impossible to Get Over." The Cut, 22 Apr. 2026, https://www.thecut.com/article/friendship-betrayal-explained-psychology-summer-house.html