This is a talk the author had the opportunity to present at the University of Utrecht under the theme of poetic justice - taking the title from an embedded haiku, my talk had the title 'Barbed Wire in Between'. Included is a report to Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp in 1979,  a report about a Mental Health Safeguarding disclosure as social worker in England in 2011, and there is also a journey deep into the personal question what it means to take a vow. The listener may have to find their own answer there.