Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies

How can you step away from daily operations and embrace the role of the agency visionary? Is there a team member who could take over the things you don’t love doing? If so, how would you begin to prepare them for this transition? Today’s guests built a relationship with a key employee that most agency owners dream of when they think about delegating and reclaiming their time. It took a lot of work, investing in growth, and trusting that someone who started as an employee could evolve into a partner in the agency, but they managed to do it in a way that has only benefitted the agency and the team. Join them for an engaging conversation filled with insights into delegating and slowly transitioning from being a hands-in agency owner to being the visionary and face of the agency. Tiffany Sauder is CEO and Kyler Mason is president of Element Three. They run a full-service marketing agency that modernizes go-to-market strategies for manufacturers with complex distribution channels. Tiffany and Kyler discuss their journey in the marketing industry and the dynamics of running a business, how their open communication gave way to a lasting partnership, and the balancing act of successfully adopting new roles at the agency while ensuring its continuous growth. In this interview, we’ll discuss: Learning to pivot in an economic crisis. Turning short-term hires into long-term assets. Rewarding the ownership mentality. Moving beyond the founder’s shadow. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources Join us in Feb 2025 to ELEVATE YOUR AGENCY! You don’t know what you don’t know. But you can learn a ton and get connected with a small group of like-minded agency owners plus me and some game-changing speakers at our exclusive event. We’re meeting in Phoenix, AZ for two days of transformative insights where you'll make meaningful connections with top-tier leaders, master inbound and outbound strategies, and elevate your agency to achieve 10x growth. Check out ElevateMyAgency.com and grab your spot! Turning a Struggling Agency Into a Career Catalyst There are very few stories of people who start their agency on purpose and Tiffany is one of them. She grew up in a heavily entrepreneurial-focused household and, coupled with her dissatisfaction with the bureaucratic environment of a large pharmaceutical company, compelled her to try something different. She convinced her father to invest in a small marketing agency, where she took on the role of a “naive sweat equity partner.” According to Tiffany, at that time the agency was a dysfunctional project shop with one major client that accounted for most of its business. However, it provided her with an environment where she was exposed to the work and learned about the industry. Although the journey was challenging, Tiffany felt very confident in the unknown, excited to learn, and worked to transform her initial ignorance into knowledge and competence by seeking mentorship and asking questions. Despite its imperfections, the agency served as a crucial platform for her development, allowing her to learn, experiment, and connect with industry professionals who would have otherwise been difficult to reach. Ultimately, her willingness to step into the unknown led to invaluable learning opportunities, developing resilience, and significant achievements. Pivoting During Changing Times and Economic Crisis The agency’s rapid growth and success during the first few years gave Tiffany a false sense of confidence. However, she faced a rude awakening during the economic downturn of 2008-2009. This period was not only financially devastating for many businesses but also coincided with the birth of her first child, both equally significant. During this time, she saw larger agencies struggling to adapt to the digital landscape, grappling with the unfamiliarity of new business dynamics. Lacking robust analytics capabilities, they found it difficult to pivot. Coming from a finance background, Tiffany recognized an opportunity to get ahead of the curve, particularly as e-commerce began to emerge. She was able to invest strategically in the future without facing the cultural resistance that established agencies encountered. This unique position, combined with her willingness to embrace risk, provided her with a distinct advantage. Turning Short-Term Agency Hires into Long-Term Assets When Kyler first came to work at the agency he was the first digital marketing hire. He was excited to learn and gain a more well-rounded experience in taking a company to market. He initially thought he’d stay at the agency for a few years, learn as much as he could, and then start his own business. For her part, Tiffany appreciated Kyler’s honesty about his future plans and recognized the potential in his aspirations. She chose to embrace his ambition rather than view it as a threat. She figured both parties could succeed without diminishing each other’s potential. Hence, she invested in Kyler’s growth. This commitment, coupled with the open communication that defined their relationship, encouraged Kyler to extend his tenure beyond his initial expectations. He became actively involved in shaping his growth trajectory within the agency and felt valued when voicing concerns about the direction set by executive leadership. To retain key employees, agency owners must be in tune with their aspirations and show them a clear path for success. They need to feel significant and heard. When they don’t, that’s when they leave. Rewarding the Ownership Mentality Through their ongoing dialogue, Tiffany and Kyler managed to build a strong relationship based on trust, aligning interests, and creating a motivating environment that contributed to the agency’s collective success. As Kyler stepped into the role of president, Tiffany sought assurance that even in her absence, he would consistently prioritize the agency’s ownership and make long-term decisions that reflected its best interests. To foster this alignment, she decided to offer him shares in the business, ensuring he would be as invested in the agency's success as she was. Kyler had already demonstrated an ownership mentality prior to his official role, and his behavior remained unchanged after the transition. This was very important to Tiffany who didn’t want to create handcuffs of loyalty, but rather to reward exemplary behavior and encourage him to keep acting in the best interest of the business. This transition also allowed Tiffany to redefine her role within the agency, providing her with the opportunity to step back from certain responsibilities. She now describes her position as still being front and center in their marketing, as well as offering mentorship and support, where her experience and insights serve to guide Kyler and the team. By positioning herself as a synthesizer and communicator, she creates a space for collaboration, allowing team members to thrive and develop their skills. This approach not only enhances individual capabilities but also strengthens the overall fabric of the organization. Growing the Agency Beyond the Founder's Shadow Kyler’s role has also changed significantly as he now wears many hats, running the account services team, being very involved in new business sales, and balancing that with his primary role of growth and strategy. He’s been trying to build an agency that does not need Tiffany, which requires a well-defined strategy, targeting the right clientele, and implementing effective marketing initiatives. Going from relying on the agency owner's reputation to successfully promoting the agency's services without their direct involvement is quite challenging. Sharing the spotlight and highlighting the talents of your team is key to achieving this. Focus on enhancing the overall performance of the agency and explain why your team will do a better job than you’d do on your own. Furthermore, build a transparent process where the client understands what’s going on at every step of the process. This way, they won’t constantly reach out to try to get you involved. Transition Slowly for Lasting Success For many agency owners, transitioning out of day-to-day tasks and watching their team solve things without them can leave them feeling redundant. Thankfully, Tiffany already had other projects lined up by this point and was able to pour her energy into those endeavors. She did, however, feel a sense of loneliness. For so long she’d been the heart of the team and knew exactly what everyone was working on and now suddenly she didn’t feel like part of a team. It took some time to adapt to this new reality but eventually, she adopted a new mindset where she recognized the contributions she could only make from her new role as the agency visionary. Moreover, she believes a slower and more intentional approach to the transition helped get the best results. It took approximately three years of careful planning for Tiffany and Kyler to lay the necessary groundwork and ensure that when changes were implemented, they were met with clarity and cohesion. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Have you ever rushed your hiring process out of eagerness to fill a position and delegate responsibilities? Did you later regret the decision to hire fast? There is a reason they say hire slow, fire fast. Finding the right people to fill the roles on your growing team is an integral part of growing. In this interview, learn from one agency owner who takes immense pride in cultivating a core team that shares his vision. However, getting there has not been without its challenges. One of the most valuable lessons he learned is that hiring takes patience and a well-structured process. Check out this thoughtful discussion on the importance of having the right people in the right positions to ensure success and peace of mind as the agency expands. Bryant Walker is the founder and CEO of Tavo Media Group, a growing full-service agency with team members scattered around the country. He discusses the challenges and excitement of growing his agency and talks about the balance between intentional growth and losing control, emphasizing the importance of investing in the right talent for the right roles. Bryant shares insights on past hiring mistakes, particularly in account management and design roles, and highlights the ongoing learning process of finding the perfect fit for his team. In this episode, we’ll discuss: The costly results of rushed hiring. A hiring process that guarantees better results. Investing in team building to cultivate commitment. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. The Costly Mistake of Rushed Hiring One of Bryant's early missteps in his agency was an overreliance on individuals who were ultimately not right for their roles. He has since learned that hiring is an exercise in patience and that acting impulsively leads to poor hiring decisions. For instance, he hired senior designers based on their impressive portfolios without delving deeper into their actual roles and responsibilities in previous projects. This led to subpar results and a disconnect between the work he saw in the portfolios and the work being produced by the team. In his eagerness to delegate responsibilities and focus on the agency's growth, Bryant granted too much autonomy while also delaying necessary corrective actions, which negatively impacted the quality of the agency's work. After addressing this issue and making more informed hiring choices, Bryant has shifted his perspective on recruitment. He advocates for a more intentional approach, taking the time to find the right fit for the role and ensuring that the candidate has the necessary skills and experience to excel in the position and avoids making rushed decisions just to fill a position quickly. When to Cut Ties: Addressing Underperformance Quickly In cases like what Bryant’s senior designer situation, reluctance to fire quickly is a common reaction based on the fear of disrupting the team. Nonetheless, this can often lead to holding on to underperforming employees for longer than necessary. Despite his efforts to foster productive discussions with these team members, Bryant ultimately found himself reverting to their tasks. In spite of this, he held on to those workers hoping it would eventually get better. Many times agency owners delay these decisions fearing that firing the wrong hires would result in more work for themselves and the rest of the team. However, letting go of the wrong talent sooner rather than later is essential for the growth and success of the agency. Changing Your Hiring Process to Guarantee Better Results To attract the most qualified candidates for a position, Jason recommends implementing a deliberate and strategic hiring process right from the job posting stage. When you advertise the position on any platform, include specific instructions—essentially "mouse traps"—that only attentive candidates will notice. For instance, leave instructions to email you with a specific subject line and send a video explaining why they want to work with you. This way, you’ll be able to quickly dismiss the applications that don’t meet these standards. Next, focus solely on the applications from candidates who submitted a video and, after selecting the best ones, ask them to complete a paid test project. Only the candidates who submit that test get to move onto the following stage of the actual interview. Normally, Bryant can get up to 800 applications for one job, which is already too many and will only fill up his inbox. Instead, by building a hiring process with strong and strict criteria, you’ll greatly reduce the number of applicants to those who truly deserve your attention, ultimately leading to interviews with candidates who are a better fit for your agency. Once you’ve interviewed the candidates, have your preferred choice prepare a 90-day success plan. Will they truly make an impact in your agency in 90 days? Not really, but you can track their activity based on the plan. If they can’t even follow through with their own plan then they’re not the right choice for your team. Investing in Team Building to Cultivate Commitment To some business owners, investing in a team sounds like an unnecessary headache when they can just find freelancers to do the job. However, a dedicated and motivated team can have a huge impact on the overall success of a business. Bryant has never taken more pride in growing his agency than now that he has found a core team that believe in his vision as much as he does. To him, the difference is evident in the work that’s put out compared to before when he was doing it alone. Once he overcame his freelancer mentality, Bryant saw real change in the agency’s growth. By prioritizing the recruitment, development, and support of talented individuals who are aligned with the company's values, agency owners can build a strong foundation for growth and sustainability. Setting Your Sales Team Up for Success Implementing the Entrepreneur Operating System (EOS) as an organizational and accountability tool has greatly helped Bryant track employee’s road to success with a lot more intention. He realized that having everything leading back to him made it impossible for the agency to scale so he hired new salespeople last year. However, it seemed none of them could close as many deals as Bryant could while he was still handling sales by himself. In the beginning, salespeople need a lot of handholding and support, so having a system to share success stories and experiences can motivate and inspire them to perform at their best. Create a framework categorizing each story based on relevance so your team can something to draw from while developing their own stories and improve their sales techniques. Moreover, managers can also debrief their team’s sales calls to step them up for success. Ask them to send you their best and worst sales calls of the week and provide helpful advice while also pointing out what they should keep doing. This hands-on approach not only helps in the initial training phase but also in continuously developing and refining the sales team's capabilities. Eventually, you’ll get them to a place where you’re no longer needed. Hot to Stop Waiting for the Perfect Moment and Take Action Finally letting go of sales has also helped Bryant embrace his “F*ck It, Let’s Do It” mode, which has become his mantra. With this mindset, he aims to be proactive and not wait for the perfect scenario to present itself before taking action. Instead, it stresses the need to make quick decisions, execute them, and learn from the results. Looking back on his agency journey, Bryant mostly regrets the things he didn’t do and moments where he took too long to make a decision. He now embraces the fact that indecision is the worst decision and strives to trust his instincts, make decisions confidently, and be willing to learn from both successes and failures. There’ll never be a “perfect” time to do something but there will always be a possibility to learn from something that didn’t go as planned. Similarly, he’s also learning to say no to certain opportunities in order to protect the time and focus he dedicates to business growth. By taking action, being intentional with your time, and surrounding yourself with the right people, you can set yourself up for success in both your personal and professional endeavors. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Do you want to sell your agency someday? Can you imagine a profitable sale and exit agency in the future? Do you feel an acquisition is the mark of business success? Selling your agency shows you’ve built a robust and profitable business, which is a noteworthy achievement. Today’s featured guest helps his clients get ready to find a perfect buyer and reach a deal that withstands the test of time. He’ll discuss why the common reasons to sell are not necessarily the best reasons as well as why undervaluing yourself could hurt your valuation. He also shares common deal killers and deal makers. He highlights the importance of considering personal fulfillment and financial objectives when deciding to sell an agency. Jonathan Baker is the co-owner of Punctuation, an all-in-one advisory practice that helps marketing firms position themselves with lead-generation plans. In particular, Jonathan helps small to medium-sized companies get ready to sell. He discusses the process of selling marketing services firms and challenges the idea that selling is always the pinnacle of success, emphasizing that success should be what truly drives individuals. In this episode, we’ll discuss: What does the $1 million mark communicate? Deal killers and deal makers. The true cost of undervaluing yourself. What if you don’t want to sell?  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Why Do Most Agency Owners Choose to Sell Their Digital Agency? Many people build agencies with the ultimate goal of selling them at some point. There’s an innate drive to sell and, to most people, selling seems like the pinnacle of success. However, selling is not always the right answer. According to Jonathan, success should be defined as whatever drives an individual. Common reasons to sell an agency include lack of enjoyment, approaching retirement, financial goals, burnout, or desire for a career change. Overall, selling should not be the default option and it’s most advisable if you know exactly what you want to do after selling. However, if you just want to sell in order to have a ton of money or because you feel burnout, maybe it’s time to start looking into some key hires to take over the tasks that are most draining for you while also increasing profits. In some cases, owners that are growing too much or too fast choose to sell. They may have started their business to do work they love and can continue to do so with a small team of employees However, when it comes to further scaling the agency and reaching maybe 100 employees, it seems impossible to manage. Burnout and frustration are scenarios that could be solved without necessarily selling and still guaranteeing you’ll be able to continue to do the work you love while enjoying more free time. In the end, giving up too soon can prevent you from reaching your full potential and achieving greater success. Why the $1 Million EBITDA Translates Into a Sellable Agency How do you know when you’ve reached your full potential? When you build an agency with at least $1 million in EBITDA, you’re definitely doing something right and most likely just inches away from greater success. Most owners encounter many obstacles in this stage, but once you start focusing on the problems and the things you don’t have you start to give up. The $1 million in EBITDA goal is a common measure for a sellable agency since it’ll open up the pool of buyers interested in your business. It also says something about the way you run your agency, which will create more competition among prospective buyers and, in turn, increase your multiples and price. Ultimately, it’s a mark that will communicate that you’re not as integral to the business as when you’re running a 10-person firm. Maximizing Your Agency's Value: Key Considerations Before Selling It’s important to understand that your agency’s worth is not guaranteed as it is contingent on a variety of factors such as client concentration and employee retention. The way a purchase deal is usually structured is you’ll get a percentage of the valuation paid upfront and the rest is earned based on hitting performance targets over the next few years. However, earnouts are also seen as a potential pitfall, as they can be designed in a way that makes it difficult for the seller to succeed. Usually, the higher the client concentration the lower you can expect to get upfront. Selling your agency means losing control over it and your performance post-acquisition could be impacted by the new owners. Hence, it is crucial for sellers to carefully consider the terms of the deal and ensure they have a level of control until the earnout is paid in full. As a seller, your primary focus should be on negotiating a deal where you’re happy with the money you get upfront, since it may be the only money you’ll see. Agency Acquisition Deal Killers and Deal Makers Even if you’re financially sound and get a good offer, several things could still be potential deal killers. From a seller’s perspective, culture plays a significant role in the success of a deal. The transition from being the boss to having a boss again can be a deal breaker if the cultural fit is not right. The earn-out period, where the seller continues to work for the buyer for a few years, can be challenging if the culture clash is too great. This can lead to the seller walking away from a potentially lucrative deal in favor of maintaining their autonomy. Additionally, the buyer’s long-term plans for the agency can either make or break the deal. Even though they say all the right things at first, as negotiations progress their true intentions may become clear. Sellers need to be strategic and discerning in their interactions with potential buyers to ensure that their agency is in good hands. On the other hand, from a buyer’s perspective, having clean books and transparent financial practices will be key in securing a successful deal. Buyers will scrutinize the financials of the agency to ensure that they are making a sound investment. Sellers need to be honest about their expenses and factor in any non-essential costs that may not transfer to the new owner. It’s a step that can help sellers increase their EBITDA and make their agency more attractive to potential buyers. The True Cost of Undervaluing Your Agency Agencies often overestimate their financial position, which is why it is essential to seek professional guidance rather than relying solely on QuickBooks. A financial expert can analyze your numbers and pinpoint areas for improvement. A lot of agency owners think their profit is higher than it really is because they’re not paying themselves enough. Once the buyer comes in and takes a look at the numbers, they’ll realize replacing the agency owner will cost much more than what they’re currently paying themselves. How much should you be paying yourself? It’ll of course depend on a number of factors including the number of employees; however, if your agency has reached $1 million in EBITDA, that number should be above $200K. This will not only be important for the negotiations, but it will also be relevant if you sell with an earnout. If you sign up to be an employee for the next three years while a certain goal is reached, do you really want your salary to be $100K? It’s a lot easier to argue for a higher salary if you’ve been paying yourself a higher salary all along. Navigating the Post-Sale Period with Agency Clients Once a deal is reached how long should you wait before letting clients know you’re selling? It depends. Most of the time you want to wait at least six months before telling them. You don’t want them to jump ship and it’s better they get the news once they can see the service quality has not declined during that time and hopefully has even improved. However, if one of your clients accounts for 70% or more of the business then you’ll probably want them to be on board from the get-go. It also depends on the way the buyer wants to handle the transaction. Are they trying to get the agency under a brand name immediately after purchase? Are they comfortable with not making drastic changes right out of the gate? In that case, waiting a couple of months could be the best course of action. To safeguard your interests, include a clause in your contracts that allows for the transfer of clients with written notice. This way, you’ll minimize the need for client cooperation and won’t risk losing the deal. What if You Don’t Want to Sell Your Agency? Most agencies will never sell. If this is your case, then make the right moves to build a profitable agency that will give you the quality of life you want. A lot of the adjustments you’d have to make to attract buyers are the same things that make a good business, even if you’re not selling it. If you built a profitable business, love the work, and delegate enough so you have the time to enjoy the fruits of your labor, then you’ve already created a fulfilling business and life. Many business owners end up selling because they feel isolated and hope being part of a bigger firm will solve this problem. However, more often than not they end up creating more problems than they’re solving. Instead of selling, try finding a competent number two employee you can trust. Having a strong second-in-command can make it easier to delegate tasks, make important decisions, and ultimately, grow your agency. It’s not easy but once you find the perfect fit growing the agency will go back to being a fun experience. However, in case you really can’t find this person, maybe it’s time to question whether you’re managing and incentivizing people the right way. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

What would you do to keep growing your agency if new leads dried up? How would you guarantee increased business? How would you ensure continued success? Our guest today emphasizes the importance of revisiting your CRM as a vital tool for driving business expansion. After years of collecting contacts for her database, a new CRM system revealed previously overlooked opportunities. Rather than seeking new leads, she realized the value of delving deeper into her existing contacts. Learn how this agency owner transitioned into building a scalable subscription-based agency model. Wendy Lieber is the CEO and co-founder of ContentBacon, a leading content subscription service that provides resources for clients to tell their unique stories and establish themselves as experts in their field with custom content. Wendy shares her journey from running a traditional boutique agency to founding a successful content-as-a-service company. She reflects on her entrepreneurial experiences and discusses how agency owners could use personalized human connection to maximize their CRM potential. In this episode, we’ll discuss: Mining your CRM for overlooked gold. Maximizing your CRM’s potential without new leads. Effective agency leadership strategies to help your agency grow.  Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Choosing Content Over Traditional Agency Growth ContentBacon is Wendy’s second company venture. Her initial venture was with a more traditional boutique agency, where she worked with private equity groups and created customized solutions. By the time she grew that agency to $500,000, Wendy joined a program called Entrepreneur Accelerator designed to grow companies over $1 million. Even though she highly enjoyed the work for a while, she realized she wasn’t very interested in continuing to scale that particular model past what they’d already reached. Around that time, she had been testing a content subscription-based model with her clients and had seen a great response. With the rise of social media and having a social presence becoming more and more important, Wendy saw the value of a service like this for struggling businesses. This was the model Wendy wanted to grow. Mining for Gold in Your Agency’s CRM Through doing their own inbound and outbound marketing, Wendy’s agency has been collecting a lot of contacts to their database over the years. Once they moved to a more sophisticated CRM with HubSpot, they started to analyze and utilize the data they had and found they didn’t need anything new, rather they needed to go much deeper into what they had. There’s a tendency in the marketing industry to always chase after the next new thing or shiny object. Wendy cautions against falling into the trap of constantly seeking out new technologies or strategies without fully utilizing the data and resources already available. Instead, she advocates for going back to the basics and focusing on simple, effective strategies that can drive growth and success. Try to identify the low-hanging fruit you can leverage to your benefit and understand and segment those contacts. This way, you can identify high-value leads, personalize your marketing efforts, and drive better results rather than constantly chasing after new trends. Maximizing Your CRM Potential Without New Leads If you feel like you’ve invested a lot in a good CRM system but are not seeing the benefits of your investment, take a look at the work being done. Is there a CRM champion on the team? Is there at least one person who owns it and develops a strategy around it? A CRM is a tool, but you should really build a strategy around it. As a helpful exercise, Wendy suggests thinking about what you would do if you couldn’t get a new lead for 90 days. How would you generate new business with what you have? Ask yourself this question and use it to challenge yourself to find the gold that’s probably in your CRM. Check your contact list and reach out to old clients and prospects. You may uncover valuable opportunities that have been overlooked. To this point, Wendy suggests trying to establish a real conversation instead of just using automation. This way, you’ll be able to build stronger relationships, foster trust with your audience, and ultimately achieve greater success in your marketing efforts. From Putting Out Fires to Effective Agency Leadership After running two businesses, Wendy continues to be surprised by the challenge of keeping both customers and employees satisfied. Balancing the needs of her clientele and her team while simultaneously focusing on business growth is an ongoing endeavor. Despite her extensive experience, just when she believes everything is on track something will happen that throws her back to working on the business instead of in the business. Ultimately, a big part of business management revolves around continuous problem-solving. Those naturally inclined to navigate these challenges are probably better suited for the role. However, the best way to stop constantly putting out fires is to train and empower your team to make decisions based on the overall goals and directions set for the agency. A clear leadership that sets the course for the business will lead to a team that is better equipped to make decisions and take initiative without constantly seeking approval from the leader, leading to a more efficient and effective work environment. At the end of the day, most agency owners started a business not only looking to have more money but also to gain more time and freedom. Once you start to find the right people to take over the tasks you hate and form a team that works well together, things will flow naturally. This is why Wendy doesn’t believe in coaching and developing a person to fit in with the culture. If things are right, she says, it’ll flow. Sometimes if it feels too hard for someone to adapt to the team, you’re just trying to put the wrong person in the wrong seat. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Have you ever fired a client? If you could do it without repercussions on cash flow, would you? Most agency owners have horror stories about toxic clients who created an unhealthy environment for the team. Deciding to cut ties can be particularly daunting, especially when the client in question represents a significant portion of your revenue. Today’s featured guest decided to prioritize herself and her team's well-being by firing a client before the situation escalated. She looks back on a long and successful career in marketing and highlights how she came back from losing major clients and how she learned to advocate for herself and her team. Susan Finch is a seasoned entrepreneur, writer, and podcaster with nearly four decades of experience in the advertising and marketing industry. She began her career as a teenager at a recreational boating company and eventually transitioned to an agency in the 1990s, during the transformative rise of the internet. After a few key clients parted ways with the agency she was presented with the chance to start her own firm and continue to work with the remaining clients. With thirty years of industry experience under her belt, she is eager to share valuable insights, discuss the challenges of losing significant clients, and explore the strategies she’s been using to focus on working on the business rather than in the business. In this episode, we’ll discuss: Susa’s early mistake and learning to build a sustainable agency. Cutting ties with tosic clients. On impactful networking. Love, hate, delegate.  How Early Success Can Mask the Need to Build Systems and Processes In 1996, when the web was still very new, Susan started to work for an agency where she had the opportunity to work with clients like the City of Anaheim on interesting projects and fell in love with the work. However, the agency took a big hit once this client moved their work in-house. The agency owner suggested that Susan establish her own agency offering to become her first client. At the time, she was nine months pregnant, and the idea of launching her own business felt overwhelming. Nevertheless, she embraced the opportunity and never looked back. The transition to building her own agency was relatively smooth, with introductions being made, clients satisfied, and the work continuing without much fuss. However, looking back, Susan realizes this made her too comfortable. She was late to create her own prospecting processes to keep the pipeline full when referrals dried up. Having landed on a business, Susan failed to plan for the future and have the different pieces in place to guarantee its proper functioning. Without those pieces in place, an agency will scale for a while but ultimately crash. The lack of vision, goals, and processes led her to work on the business all the time. Longterm Benefit to Cutting Ties with a Toxic Client The breaking point that led to the ultimate change for Susan was getting rid of a toxic client. This specific client was causing her and her team immense stress and draining their creativity and joy. It came down to making the difficult decision to fire them, despite accounting for 40% of the agency’s business, to guarantee a healthy and abuse-free work environment. The immediate aftermath of this decision was a rough patch where thankfully Susan was not shy about calling up all her contacts and being very open about looking for small and big projects alike and the type of client she wanted to work with. She began working as a fractional CMO with several companies and sometimes became the full-time solution they were looking for. Before long, Susan secured a new high-profile client, whose esteemed reputation gave her the confidence she needed to network effectively in her industry, having conversations with big-time CEOs and CMOs. Ultimately, firing her toxic client was a painful decision but the right one in the long run. Rebuilding Your Agency’s Momentum & Bouncing Back from Firing a Major Client Firing a client is intimidating, especially when they account for a significant part of your revenue. However, Susan knew it was time to stand up for herself and her team. Every agency owner has stories about difficult clients but it’s important to advocate for yourself and your team. Don’t wait too long to raise the issue once you notice the problematic behavior is affecting the team and set clear boundaries This assertiveness can foster a more positive working relationship or lead to a necessary separation. Regardless of the outcome, your team will appreciate your commitment to their well-being, reinforcing the standards of treatment you expect. In the end, the problematic individual at that old client’s company left and the company approached Susan to continue the working relationship months later. By standing up for herself, Susan was able to maintain her integrity, build stronger relationships, and create a more positive work environment. Lessons on the Power of Personal Touch for Impactful Networking Networking provided Susan with the opportunity to meet new people and make a lasting impression. She credits this to the fact that she’s not afraid to pick up the phone or schedule an in-person meeting. People nowadays tend to rely on emails and social media to start conversations and don’t realize this can create a sense of detachment. By picking up the phone, meeting for coffee, attending events, and engaging in real conversations, agency owners can establish genuine connections that can lead to new opportunities, collaborations, and friendships. In-person interactions allow for spontaneity, creativity, and a deeper level of understanding that may not be achieved through digital communication alone. Consider your agency’s email list. If you have a few high-engagement contacts who are yet to become clients, why not reach out with a simple phone call to express your gratitude for their engagement? They will likely be pleasantly surprised to learn that your sole intention is to thank them, leaving a memorable impression. Making that phone call demonstrates your commitment to going the extra mile to connect, engage, and show genuine interest in others. This approach can lead to stronger relationships, enhanced trust, and a profound sense of connection among individuals. The Love, Hate, Delegate Approach to Leadership Just like choosing to work with the right clients will help you create the type of work you love to do and motivate you to do great things, Susan advocates for the “love, hate, delegate” approach—an effective method she's learning to use to regain focus on her business operations. This system involves categorizing tasks into three distinct groups: those she loves to handle personally, those she can eliminate, and those that can be delegated to others. At the end of the day, agency owners don’t just want to scale their business, they want to get to a point where they can build a team that can take over and get their time back. Time is irreplaceable so find ways to keep building your business while still doing the work you love. Get your ego out of it and allow other people to come in and make you look better. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

How often do you take time off simply to rest? Do you carve out moments to recharge and find stillness before the daily whirlwind begins? If you’re a successful entrepreneur who doesn’t prioritize rest, you may be heading toward burnout. Today’s featured guest is an entrepreneur who’s created several noted frameworks for business owners, empowering countless individuals to elevate their businesses. Gino Wickman is an entrepreneur, content creator, and most notably the founder of Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS). Through the years he’s noticed highly accomplished entrepreneurs tend to feel unfulfilled in what should be the highest point of their success. This happens when they forget the fundamental purpose behind building a successful business: to create a fulfilling life. In this episode, you will gain insights into achieving success while maintaining fulfillment in both your professional and personal life. Gino has created many business frameworks but EOS is what he’s best known for and is used by hundreds of thousands of companies around the world. In his new book, "Shine," Gino explores the idea of achieving success while maintaining balance and fulfillment in life. This is something many entrepreneurs often struggle with and may not even realize it. In this episode, we’ll discuss: Why business success isn’t enough. Breaking work cycles. 3 discoveries to free your true self. The ten disciplines. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Check out Gino Wickman on the 2 disciplines every agency owner needs. The Missing Piece: Why Isn’t Business Success Enough? With a track record of thirty years working with entrepreneurs, Gino realized that, even though he has been helping them create thriving businesses, many of his clients continued to feel unfulfilled. This is something Gino himself can relate to and what led to him to creating his latest framework centered on helping entrepreneurs master both their inner and outer worlds. Many people achieve remarkable success but continue to feel unfulfilled or unbalanced, even if they have more money than they know what to do with. Attaining external success and continuing to struggle with finding purpose and feeling empty on the inside is common for business owners. This underscores the need to nurture our inner selves in addition to focusing on external achievements. In our fast-paced and achievement-oriented society, it’s easy to get caught up in the pursuit of external success and validation. However, without a strong foundation of inner fulfillment, external achievements can feel hollow and unsatisfying. That’s why prioritizing self-reflection, self-care, and personal growth is essential to cultivating a sense of inner peace and fulfillment. Breaking the Work-Hard and Hustle Cycle After selling EOS Worldwide, Gino found himself in a remarkable position, engaging in work that he genuinely loved. This newfound contentment revealed to him he had been operating under a belief system based on non-stop work since age fifteen. Back then he committed to work hard and build an empire around what he thought would make him happy. Now, years later, it finally hit him that he had been enduring the unhappiness created by his work obsession and the feeling of safe and contentment after the sale is what helped reveal this pattern. He realized it was time to work on his inner struggles and find true fulfillment. Just like Navy SEALs commonly experience trauma once they are safe at home, entrepreneurs often find that their inner demons come to the surface when they are not focused on a task or goal. These moments of stillness and introspection present an opportunity to confront our fears, insecurities, and past traumas, and ultimately free ourselves from the burdens that have been holding us back. To deal with this, Gino recommends meditation, which many people reject fearing that the moments of quiet will evoke past trauma. Nonetheless, Gino believes there is a need to let this stuff come up, to shed the layers of armor you’ve built up, and to free yourself. Achieving this freedom is what will allow individuals to make a real impact on the world and become much more creative. 3 Discoveries to Free Your True Self Some people think that growing and selling your business brings freedom. However, Gino presents a different perspective, advocating for three transformative insights that can help you unlock your authentic self while enhancing your energy, impact, and inner peace. Recognize and accept that being driven is part of an entrepreneur’s DNA and wiring. Acknowledging this helps you navigate the ups and downs of that drive and recognize the impact it has on your mental, physical, and emotional well-being. All decisions are made out of love or fear. Understanding the motivations behind your actions will help you make more conscious choices that align with your true self rather than your ego. This awareness can help entrepreneurs break free from patterns of fear-based decision-making and move towards a place of love and authenticity. Know it is possible to be BOTH driven and have peace. This may seem contradictory at first, as many driven individuals equate drive with a constant state of hustle and striving. However, finding peace does not mean losing drive; in fact, it can enhance it. At this stage of his life, Gino has everything he’ll ever need; nonetheless, he’s more motivated than ever. By letting go of the need to constantly be in motion and finding a sense of inner calm, driven entrepreneurs can tap into a deeper source of motivation and creativity. The Ten Disciplines The next step after embracing these discoveries is how to implement them into your life. In this sense, Gino emphasizes the transformative power of shedding everything that isn’t the real you. He encourages entrepreneurs to let go of societal expectations, comparisons to others, and unnecessary tasks or responsibilities that do not resonate with their core values and passions. The 10 disciplines outlined by Gino provide a roadmap for achieving this state of authenticity and include: Tenure thinking Taking time off Knowing oneself Being still Knowing one's 100% Saying no often Avoiding low-value tasks Preparing nightly Organizing one's life Practicing humility   Following these disciplines, anyone can begin to strip away the layers of conditioning, false beliefs, and distractions that prevent them from living in alignment with their true selves. For instance, knowing your 100% is a step that will help you pinpoint the perfect amount of effort you’ll need to create something amazing as an entrepreneur. Also known as the work container, this measure should answer how many weeks of the year and hours per week you can work to reach your maximum output without going over or under that measure. One extra hour over that measure may lead to burnout while one hour less might mean you’ll start to get bored. The key to finding this magic number is to start experimenting with how you manage your time. Instead of deciding you’ll only work three days of the week as of tomorrow, start reducing your working hours little by little and see how you feel, how your energy levels change, and whether or not you’re still able to handle your workload. The perfect balance will allow you to manage your energy while making as big of an impact as possible.  Learning to Sit Still Without Guilt Do you find it challenging to sit still? If so, you may struggle because your mind is preoccupied with tasks and responsibilities that are piling up, making it difficult to take a moment to reset and recharge. What does ‘stillness’ mean in this scenario? It means four things: meditation, prayer, contemplation, or journaling. The idea behind this daily exercise is to set aside time to just stop and let your soul catch up to be present and aware. For his part, Gino recommends dedicating thirty minutes each day to simply sit in silence. As simple as that sounds, it’s hard for driven entrepreneurs. If this is your case, just try starting with 10 minutes every day and slowly work your way up to 30 minutes. Being constant with this practice will allow you to feel more present, aware, energized, and creative, which will benefit every aspect of your life, not just your performance as an entrepreneur. Why 130 Days Off Could Boost Your Business Just like sitting still can be a challenge for entrepreneurs, taking time off can be even harder. However, Gino recommends business owners take at least 130 days off a year, which may seem like a lot if you’re used to working long hours and prioritizing productivity above all else. Personally, Gino has taken the month of August off for the last twenty-five years and is a big believer in the power of a sabbatical. He insists these days off must be days when you do not think about work at all. By taking time off, we allow ourselves to rest and rejuvenate, which can lead to increased creativity, productivity, and overall well-being. It allows us to step back from our daily routines and responsibilities, gain perspective, and come back with a fresh outlook on life. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Do you find it hard to remember the name of someone you just met? Do you struggle to recall the details of last week’s meeting? Busy agency owners are constantly juggling countless responsibilities which is overwhelming and leaving you feeling like you're losing your edge. But what if you could sharpen your mind and tackle daily challenges with confidence? Today’s featured guest has transformed his remarkable journey as a record-holding memorization expert into a powerful business dedicated to helping entrepreneurs enhance their memory skills. By harnessing effective visualization techniques, he empowers individuals to project themselves into a future filled with success. In this episode, learn more about his inspiring story and insights on memorable marketing and memorization. Dave Farrow is the founder and CEO of Farrow Communications, a full-service public relations and digital marketing agency with a reputation for creating ‘memorable’ marketing and publicity campaigns. Dave shares his incredible journey from being diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia to becoming a Guinness World Record holder in memorization and building his business around his passion for helping people understand the brain's workings. His most recent book ‘Brain Hacker’ is another step in his mission to show that the brain can change and be trained to improve memory. In this episode, we’ll discuss: Supercharging your memory with visual associations. The super learner’s toolkit to remember everything. The use of visualization techniques in business. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Using ADHD to Transform a Talent into a Mission As a child, Dave was often led to believe that his ADHD would hinder his chances of achieving success. This conviction ignited a profound curiosity about the workings of the brain and the concept of neuroplasticity. Dave became passionate about the idea that the brain is capable of change, adaptability, and training, embarking on a mission to demonstrate this potential. Through dedication and hard work, he broke the Guinness World Record for memorizing the order of 59 decks of cards, an accomplishment that showcased his exceptional memory skills and brought him a lot of publicity and recognition. However, he realized memorization alone was not enough to guarantee success. He needed to find ways to leverage his memory skills to create opportunities for himself. His time as ‘the memory guy’ gave him access to several media outlets, including appearances on The Today Show and features in The New York Times. Leveraging this exposure, Dave began to pivot the narrative from a personal focus to a broader mission—promoting effective learning strategies to enhance memory and combat memory loss. Through this approach, he aims to provide valuable solutions that can benefit others. Visual Associations as the Secret to Supercharging Your Memory Human beings are naturally good at remembering people’s faces. However, we’re not as good at connecting those faces to names. Throughout his career, Dave has used memorization to teach people to improve their memory. Specifically, one of the main techniques he uses is the Costume Party Technique, where people associate the name with a costume and imagine the person wearing it. Creating visual associations with names can be a powerful tool in improving memory retention. By creating these visual associations with something we want to remember, we engage different parts of our brain and make the information more memorable. This technique can be applied to various aspects of life, not just remembering names. The Super Learner's Toolkit: Combining Organizational Strategies and Purposeful Memorization When it comes to greater amounts of information, like remembering key points from a meeting, Dave looks at it as organizing information rather than just remembering it. Much like creating a grocery list before shopping, one can utilize the “method of location” to construct a mental map. This technique involves associating each piece of information with specific objects or items within a familiar space—like an office or a room—, making it easier to remember and access important details. Organizing information can help us avoid confusion and errors that may arise from simply memorizing without a clear structure. Moreover, understanding context is equally important to effective memorization. Learning out of context can hinder progress significantly. By combining organization and purpose-driven learning, you can become a super learner and collect skills like others collect stamps. Using Visualization Techniques in Client Pitches When pitching clients for a big opportunity like appearing on ABC, Dave and his team try to choose words that help visualize the experience. For instance, they’ll try to get the producer to picture that client in their studio. This is a powerful technique that taps into the brain's ability to believe what it sees. In this sense, using visual language and asking questions can help potential clients imagine themselves in a specific scenario, increasing the chances of closing a sale. To take this experience to sales, focus on what the client is looking for rather than just presenting the problem. If you can articulate this the fastest, then you’ll get the biggest response. Incorporating questions enhances the visualization process when done correctly, prompting the client to imagine themselves in a specific scenario or consider their past experiences. This approach is particularly effective on websites or marketing materials, where asking questions like "Do you want X" or "Do you think this is X" prompts visitors to visualize themselves using the product or service being offered. Using Visualization to Empower Aspiring Entrepreneurs Even someone like Dave, renowned for his exceptional memorization skills, dedicates time each morning to hone his abilities. Drawing from his past experiences with Buddhist practices, he incorporates meditation into his routine, visualizing his goals and aspirations for the day ahead. This method of visualization serves as a powerful way to concentrate on your desired outcomes and maintain motivation in your pursuits. Dave envisions himself as already successful, effectively training his brain to identify innovative strategies for achieving his objectives and overcoming challenges. For aspiring entrepreneurs, he recommends reframing their mindset. Rather than perceiving their venture as something they are merely starting, which can evoke feelings of overwhelm about the journey ahead, they should visualize themselves as having already succeeded. This shift in perspective prompts the brain to generate actionable ideas and solutions, ultimately serving as a crucial catalyst for progress. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Have you clearly defined your service offering to the extent that you can productize it? Or do you prefer to customize your approach for each client’s needs? Which strategy aligns better with your agency's objectives and overall success? Today's featured guest transitioned from providing highly customized services, which impacted his team's ability to meet deadlines and adhere to budgets. He has since adopted a productized model and is currently exploring how to effectively present differentiated pricing tiers. Join us as we delve into invaluable insights on launching and scaling a creative agency, optimizing your service offerings, and gracefully managing a co-founder's exit. Matthew McIver is the founder and CEO of Commence Studio, a B2B brand and e-commerce agency with a proven track record for helping purpose-driven companies build widely-known brands. He shares his journey from graphic designer to agency owner and offers insights for those considering buying or selling a business. In this episode, we’ll discuss: The hidden costs of customization. Learning the value of processes and standardization. Two paths to agency growth Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Navigating an Agency Partner’s Exit Ever since high school, Matt envisioned a future where he would own an agency—an aspiration he regarded as the pinnacle of success for a graphic designer. After honing his skills in design and photography at art school, he made the transition into the agency world, where he worked as a freelance designer and web developer at several firms. Eventually, Matt partnered with a like-minded individual to embark on the ambitious venture of starting their own business, pooling together just $500 to kickstart their dream. Matt quickly learned that building a successful business requires immense perseverance—navigating through growth, setbacks, and the resilience to rise again. After years of building the agency together, Matt's partner experienced burnout and lost his passion for entrepreneurship. The split was amicable, characterized by mutual respect and a buyout agreement that allowed both parties to prioritize their respective futures without ego interference. Reflecting on this pivotal period, Matt notes the buyout agreement they drafted through LegalZoom served its purpose in outlining the terms of their separation. However, he recognizes that a more tailored agreement crafted by a legal professional would have provided additional benefits and advises having a comprehensive and detailed agreement in place when entering a partnership. The Hidden Cost of Customization and Not Having SOPs Looking back at his experience building the agency with his partner, Matt reflects on how the agency saw rapid and significant growth. However, he recognizes their journey was largely improvised, resulting in various shortcomings, the most notable being the lack of processes. As they scaled, they inadvertently constructed a business model centered around their craft and talent, leading to a portfolio that lacked distinction among brands. The agency found itself specializing in a singular type of design, which necessitated training every new hire—both designers and developers—in the same approach. No documented SOPs were in place, as each product was custom-built for new clients. This absence of structured processes led to several oversights, not necessarily diminishing quality, but causing them to miss deadlines and exceed budgets. Matt realized he was essentially forfeiting potential revenue by not understanding the value of the ideas they were providing for free. More recently, they moved into a productized format that helped take their sales cycle from 88 days to just 8 days. They have packaged their services into standardized offerings that can be easily replicated and sold to multiple clients by creating a catalog of three tiers of services. The Power of Standardization & Learning the Value of Processes Moving into a more productized format poses the question of how much to charge for each of their service’s tiers and whether or not they should make those prices public on their website. On one hand, having value-based advisory emphasizes the importance of providing personalized, strategic advice to clients. Rather than treating clients like a commodity, their approach is based on the individual needs and goals of each client. On the other hand, research indicates that clients like to know the options available to them. After refining their sales process, Matt is now able to ask the right questions to find out what kind of business the leads are in, and their size, and position their product catalog quickly accordingly. He then presents all three options in their catalog and highlights the one he recommends for that specific client. However, this has sometimes created confusion among clients who feel overwhelmed by the options. Ultimately, clients seek to engage with an industry expert they can trust to provide effective solutions to their challenges. They don’t want to make decisions but rather have someone take care of the problem and present solutions that make it a no-brainer. It’s important to position yourself as a trusted advisor to clients, which is why presenting the right price offering based on the client’s needs and budget after the initial meeting might be the best option. High-Touch vs. High-Efficiency: Two Paths to Agency Growth The key to value-based advisory is the ability to guide clients through complex decision-making processes and offer expert recommendations based on their unique needs. It’s an approach that involves actively listening to clients, understanding their pain points, and presenting solutions that align with their goals. However, there’s no one-size-fits-all approach to scaling an agency and while some entrepreneurs may choose to focus on offering high-end, personalized services at premium prices, others may find success by adopting a more streamlined and cost-effective approach. For instance, some agency owners have found success in "creating a factory", a powerful and thought-provoking idea that challenges traditional notions of pricing and service delivery. This is the case of David, who built a successful agency by offering low-priced services in a streamlined and efficient manner. By focusing on efficiency, simplicity, and scalability, David was able to attract a large number of clients and ultimately sell his agency for a substantial sum. His approach of offering standardized services at a low price point may seem counterintuitive to some, especially in an industry where high prices are often equated with quality. Ultimately, the key is to understand your target market, identify their needs and preferences, and tailor your business model accordingly. Building a Strong Culture that Prioritizes Flexibility and Growth Opportunities Matt is very conscious of the fact that his team is his greatest asset and is committed to treating them with respect while providing compelling reasons for them to remain with his agency. He feels a profound sense of gratitude for the loyalty shown by some employees who have been with the agency since its inception, even amidst various challenges and transitions. His vision has always been to cultivate a close-knit team of around fifteen members, and although recent difficulties necessitated a downsizing, he is now focused on rebuilding. He takes pride in building a strong culture that values time and freedom, especially as a new father. He also recognizes the importance of offering flexibility and a supportive culture for their team. By focusing on transparency, open communication, and providing tools for retention, he has been able to create a positive work environment where employees feel valued and supported. In addition to offering competitive benefits such as health and wellness benefits, gym benefits, and paid time off, Matt goes above and beyond to support his team through personal challenges and difficult times. His dedication to prioritizing employee well-being reflects a genuine commitment to investing in his team members, recognizing that they are more than just assets or sources of income. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

How much automation should be integrated into your agency's processes?  When is automation a good idea, and when isn’t it? Are your agency services diverse enough to withstand a shifting market? In this interview, learn from one agency owner who has grown her agency making very conscious decisions about what she’ll need to build a business that stands the test of time. From avoiding heavy automation to building a team based primarily in the US while living in Romania, she considers all angles before making long-term plans and has pushed against some trends to find her path. In this episode, we delve into her journey and gather valuable insights on scaling an agency in the dynamic world of e-commerce. Alina Vlaic is the owner of AZRank, an e-commerce agency that offers tested and successful solutions for launching products across all e-commerce platforms. Alina shares her journey of starting her agency from scratch in 2018 and growing it to a 20-person team dedicated mostly to Amazon sellers, e-commerce businesses, and online entrepreneurs. She discusses the decisions she’s made from the start, to do what felt best for the success of her agency. In this episode, we’ll discuss: Choosing flexibility for long-term success. A global vision with a local agency approach. Expanding your agency’s toolkit to survive market shifts. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. An Unexpected Journey from Amazon Seller to E-Commerce Agency Owner As an Amazon seller alongside her husband, Alina experienced firsthand the rollercoaster ride of e-commerce - including a devastating low that nearly derailed their dreams. It was during this time that she identified a gap in the market for services that were not being offered in the way she wanted. She saw some things were still missing in the 2017 Amazon landscape and set out to create a service that would address these needs for clients. After slowly building up her clientele from just a couple of friends to a full team to continue providing services, she found herself having created a business around Amazon sales. It was time to transition from a one-woman show to a structured business and start growing a team. Bucking the Trend: Choosing Flexibility for Long-Term Success While her peers rushed to embrace every new technology promising lightning-fast results and the industry pushed for automation at increasingly higher rates, Alina took the opposite stance. Although automation could have helped her grow tenfold, she's made the conscious decision to pump the brakes on this high-speed approach. The soul of her service lies in its flexibility - a quality she fears would be sacrificed on the altar of full automation. She's not willing to trade the ability to adapt and tailor her offerings for the sake of rapid expansion. Without flexibility, she would not be able to offer efficient services. Executing a Global Vision with a Local Agency Approach When Alina set out to build her dream team, she knew that the human touch would be her secret weapon. She needed to ensure her clients received top-notch attention in their own time zones while avoiding the pitfalls of language barriers. If clients weren’t receiving the right answers to their questions or didn’t understand the agency’s survey and processes, nothing would be ultimately accomplished. This is why she made the unusual and daring decision to hire a US-based team run remotely from Romania. Furthermore, she was also very conscious about empowering her team from the very beginning. One of the smartest decisions Alina has made was letting her current COO and first hire handle the hiring process of the rest of the team. After that, she’s been “in the back seat” as she lets her team take over operations. It's a transition that many agency owners dream of but few achieve, often finding themselves trapped by their own need for control. Expanding Your Agency’s Toolkit to Survive Market Shifts Alina started her agency with a focus on Amazon-dedicated services, but she quickly realized the need to expand into other areas like press articles and content generation. More than a response to market demand, this diversification was a strategic move to mitigate risks associated with relying on a single service offering. Her decision to diversify her services highlights the importance of staying agile and responsive to changing market dynamics. In today's fast-paced digital landscape, agencies need to be able to pivot and adapt to new trends and technologies. Alina had in mind after seeing many agencies have to completely reinvent themselves once the market changed and their entire business model went down the drain. By diversifying their services, agencies can not only capture new opportunities but also protect themselves from sudden shifts in the market that could potentially shut down their business overnight. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Are you thinking about an eventual exit from your agency? Curious about how to prepare for selling your agency down the road? Preparing for a potential sale well in advance can be beneficial, even if you ultimately decide to retain your business. Our guest had a clear vision of his goal: to grow his agency while waiting for an opportune moment to sell. He shares valuable lessons on how coaching accelerated his growth and why he wishes he had joined a mastermind group sooner to establish the necessary systems for a successful sale. He shares insights into building a thriving agency and navigating the industry with a strategic approach. Ronik Patel is the founder of UnlimitedWP, a white-label WordPress Development company recently acquired by the white-label agency and longtime friend of the Smart Agency podcast, E2M Solutions. He shares his journey in the agency space, from starting Unlimited WP to its recent merger with E2M, and discusses the unique approach of productizing white-label services for digital agencies and the inspiration behind it. In this episode, we’ll discuss: Building a sellable agency from scratch. The impact of agency peer groups. Preparing for an agency sale. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Building a Sellable Agency from Scratch Ronik has been in the agency space for eight years, when after completing his master’s degree in entrepreneurship, he faced the challenges of a failed startup and recognized the need for a venture that required minimal initial investment. While operating an agency is not without its complexities and uncertainties, it offered him the opportunity to launch a business independently and with no capital, allowing him to gradually develop it into a lifestyle enterprise. However, Ronik's ambitions extended beyond merely creating a lifestyle business; he aspired to build an enterprise with the potential for future sale. To achieve this, he engaged with agency coaches to explore alternative models that would allow for rapid scaling and eventual sale. Inspired by design firms that successfully productized their services, Ronik noted the absence of similar strategies within the agency sector at that time. Determined to innovate, he set out to implement this approach in his own agency. Accelerating Success: The Impact of Agency Peer Groups Reflecting on his personal journey, Ronik believes that one of the most impactful decisions he could have made earlier was to seek out a mentor and join a mastermind group. His experience has shown that being part of an agency group and learning from industry experts can dramatically accelerate growth and success. By being part of a community of like-minded individuals, a step he took during his third year of owning an agency, entrepreneurs can gain valuable insights, advice, and support that can help them navigate challenges and make informed decisions. However, changes don’t happen overnight. It took Ronik a couple of years to learn and implement what he learned, so he could have potentially achieved his goals in half the time if he had joined sooner. Ultimately, engaging with others and sharing experiences, helped him gain the confidence to try different things and improve his business strategies.   Moreover, things won’t just happen unless you challenge yourself to actively participate in these communities to reap the full benefits of membership. Ronik stresses the importance of showing up, asking questions, and seeking help when faced with challenges. Being proactive and engaging with other members is the best way to leverage the collective knowledge and expertise of the community to overcome obstacles, find solutions, and achieve their goals. Building Value for Buyers: Lessons in an Agency Exit Strategy When it came time to sell, Ronik didn’t have one particular reason to take this step. The timing was right, the offer was just right, and he had always envisioned he would sell at some point. Outside of just waiting for the right moment, he does recommend preparing for that moment by making a shortlist of potential buyers and initiating conversations with them to understand what they are looking for in a buyout, as well as actively seeking out potential buyers and making introductions early on in the process. By building relationships with potential buyers and understanding their criteria for a buyout, entrepreneurs can better position themselves for a successful sale when the time comes. Ronik also highlights the importance of understanding where the weightage will go in a potential buyout. He shares his experience of not knowing initially that factors such as the team, revenue, brand, and marketing channels would be crucial in the eyes of the buyer. By knowing this information ahead of time, entrepreneurs can tailor their efforts and focus on strengthening these aspects of their business to make it more attractive to potential buyers. 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