Dr. Mark Pitstick and Dr. Gary Schwartz have done breakthrough science, so why all the “soul phone” chatter? photo by: Skeptiko [Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:16] That’s a scene from the movie Ouija: Origins of Evil where the family is gathering around the Ouija board and get some rather unexpected results. It’s a cautionary tale that seems to fit with today’s interview with Dr. Mark Pitstick, who along with Dr. Gary Schwartz from the University of Arizona, have designed, patented and are marketing the SoulPhone. Here’s a clip from the interview and stick around after the show for the one question I have on this one is interesting, and I think it’s one I really, really like to get input on. So if you do stick around to the end, let me know what you think. Okay. Here goes the interview. Dr. Mark Pitstick: [00:01:05] First of all, people need to understand that the research of Dr. Schwartz at the University of Arizona is, as far as we know, the only truly scientific, replicated, controlled, double blind, all of that that I mentioned, research being done. The others, you mentioned are mediumistic research and some mediums are rock stars. That was how Dr. Schwartz got into this area after he left Yale and came to the University of Arizona 20 some years ago, documenting that some mediums are very highly evidential, but again, some of those have bad days, make mistakes, etc. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:43] But Mark, I mean, the problems here are almost too many to even start with. Why do you think you can open up the door and say, “Trust us, we know what we’re doing. We talked to the A team, and by the way, the A team includes Michael Jackson,” you know, the Jesus juice, reach around pedophile, Michael Jackson, he’s on the A team, right? Click Here for Dr. Mark Pitstick’s website Click here for Forum Discussion Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris and you know, I don’t usually read bios into the intros of these interviews, but Mark has an exceptionally impressive and an exceptionally good one, so I thought I would read it. Dr. Mark Pitstick has over 40 years’ experience in hospitals, pastoral counseling settings, mental health centers, and private practice. His training includes pre-medical degree, graduate in theology and pastoral counseling studies. Master’s in clinical psychology and doctorate in chiropractic health, which is no joke in my opinion, is fantastic. He has also provided suicide prevention counseling, and education to many, many people. He began having clairvoyant experiences around the age of 10 and has been blessed with numerous miracles in his life, revelatory experiences, spiritually transformative experiences. Are you getting a kind of feeling for why I wanted to read all this in, pretty amazing? After working in hospitals with many suffering and dying adults and children, he was motivated to find sensible evidence-based answers to the questions that many people ask, actually, I think many people should be asking more on a regular basis. Who am I? Why am I here? What happens after I die? Will I see departed loved ones again? Is there God? Why is there so much suffering? So his books,
Conner Habib, seeks to untangle the good from the bad in order to find what makes us human. photo by: Skeptiko [Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:20] That’s a clip from the movie I, Robot. It covers territory that’s pretty well-worn at this point. Will consciousness rise up in the robots and take over the world? But I think there’s a deeper and more relevant and certainly more immediate question that comes to mind with what it means to being human, and it’s explored quite beautifully by today’s guest, Conner Habib. Conner Habib: [00:00:47] I now use the question rather than what is consciousness, that is important to me, but I think what is the human being is my question that I try to unfurl everything from. I can’t just do this bullshit thing, which people do all the time, which I find completely objectionable, which is, well, you just take the good and you leave the bad, just move on with the good stuff, because that doesn’t address the foundational thing that you bring up all the time. What I need to do is find out how the good and the bad are entangled and liberate that philosophy from itself. Click Here for Conner’s website Click here for Forum Discussion Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:20] Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics. I’m your host Alex Tsakiris, and today we welcome Conner Habib back to Skeptiko. Conner is the creator of host of Against Everyone with Conner Habib, a fantastically named interview, podcast, video series that explores sexuality, spirituality, science. Oh, and just a whole bunch of other stuff that is always interesting, especially when Conner does it. He has a new book in the works, or it might even be out, we’ll have to hear about that. It’s titled Hawk Mountain. And he recently pinged me about Why Evil Matters. So we’re going to have to see why he wanted to poke the bear there. Conner, welcome back to Skeptiko, thanks so much for joining me. Conner Habib: [00:02:11] Hey Alex, it’s really nice to talk with you again. Hi. Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:15] So what is going on? What’s going on with Against Everyone and what’s going on with the new book and what’s going on in Ireland? Conner Habib: [00:02:22] Yeah, so, since we last talked Against Everyone has pretty much taken off, it’s going really great. And I’ve just sort of been getting deeper and deeper into the conversations and letting myself go a little bit more because the whole point was I wanted big talk, not small talk. And so just letting myself get deeper into topics with thinkers who I respect and kind of abandoning… Also, I’m moving away from LA. I moved out of that, sort of current, you always have to be visible and successful. I kind of moved out of that when I moved to Ireland. I was like, I’m just going to do what I care about, and then surprise, surprise, of course the show blows up after that. Right? So there’s that. The novel I wrote, which is called Hawk Mountain, doesn’t come out until next year, but I did sell it, which is great. It’s a very dark, very dark book about repression and love and murder. So it’s a bit of a crime book, and I’m very excited for that.
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Dr. Gayle Kimball has interviewed leading scientists and thinkers to understand the frontier beyond the mainstream. photo by: Skeptiko That’s a clip from the movie I, Robot. It covers territory that’s pretty well-worn at this point. Will consciousness rise up in the robots and take over the world? But I think there’s a deeper and more relevant and certainly more immediate question that comes to mind with what it means to being human, and it’s explored quite beautifully by today’s guest, Conner Habib. Conner Habib: [00:00:47] I now use the question rather than what is consciousness, that is important to me, but I think what is the human being is my question that I try to unfurl everything from. I can’t just do this bullshit thing, which people do all the time, which I find completely objectionable, which is, well, you just take the good and you leave the bad, just move on with the good stuff, because that doesn’t address the foundational thing that you bring up all the time. What I need to do is find out how the good and the bad are entangled and liberate that philosophy from itself. https://youtu.be/VJEdNcgE4ZY Click Here for Dr. Gayle Kimball’s website Click here for Forum Discussion Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris. And today we welcome dr. Gayle Kimball to Skeptiko. Gayle is a professor Emeritus from Cal State Chico and was the first coordinator of their women’s studies program. She’s also a Nautilus award winning author. We’re going to talk about some of her great books today. And, you know, one of the great things about Gayle is she is familiar with the Skeptiko drill. Dr. Gayle Kimball: [00:02:37] You did, you know, do you remember that? I interviewed you last year, so I’m very familiar. Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:47] I do, and I really appreciate it. I think we have a chat. And I really look for having that kind of chat again today, because, you know, as I just mentioned, you have these books that are really right up our alley here at Skeptiko and the kind of stuff that you know, we talk about and that you’re passionate about too, in terms of materialism reality consciousness and all the rest of that. So let’s start then by at least. Describing these books. Talk about what they’re about mysteries of reality, mysteries of knowledge, beyond our senses and mysteries of healing, the mysteries trilogy, but it’s really quite an accomplishment. And the list of people that you’ve interviewed for this for these books is super impressive and will be known too. A lot of people who listen to the show will immediately recognize so many of the folks that yeah. Talk to. So tell us about this project, how you got started, we’ve done it. And what people are going to find when they go to these books. The Dr. Gayle Kimball: [00:03:54] way it started is I do energy work and I was trained to do clairvoyant and healing work techniques from the Berkeley psychic Institute. And it’s all with intention and visualization and it’s not hands on. And so I wanted something as part of my. Personal practice that involve the body in a more specific way....
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Jurgen Ziewe is bringing virtual reality technology to his experiences as an out of body traveler. photo by: Skeptiko [Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:19] That’s from the movie The Shack, which does a pretty good job of exploring the interplay between, consensus reality and the impossible to understand extended reality that seems to pop up now and then. It’s a topic that I explored with the extraordinary astral traveler, Jurgen Ziewe. Here are a couple of clips. Jurgen Ziewe: [00:00:51] I was at that time painting taught by a Vienna surrealist, that went on really well. But than one night I had an extreme experience, like a poltergeist thing, I had this picture of a demon on my easel and it fell off, and not only that, but an ashtray which was next to it was catapulted across the room. At that time I just didn’t believe in anything supernatural and anything like that was totally out of my realm. I stood at the shore of an ocean and the waves crashing in towards me were made out of light, and each light, each wave that came to me was a revelation, was offering a higher state of consciousness. And all time this was happening, I was in a state of total ecstasy. And every time a new wave came crushing in on me there was another revelation, not just a revelation, but an even higher state of consciousness. Click Here for Jurgen Ziewe’s website Click here for Forum Discussion Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:13] Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. As you know, this show is primarily about consciousness and what I like to call extended consciousness, that is all that strange but impossible to deny stuff that seems to be happening beyond space and time in these metaphysical realms. And I’m really keen on people who are kind undaunted in their effort to enter into those realms and try and bring them back and bring them down to a level of, if not science, at least a pre-scientific deeper understanding of them. And that’s one thing I’ve always thought is so super impressive about the work of today’s guest Jurgen Ziewe. Jurgen was on the show a couple of years ago and then I’ve begun this kind of intensive investigation into evil, not for evil’s sake, but maybe as this lens to maybe giving us a different understanding of these extended consciousness realms. And there I am on the Skeptiko forum and I’m kind of babbling on and people are like, “You have to talk to Jurgen. Go back to Jurgen, he has the most extensive and well-documented exploration through his out-of-body experiences, into these realms and has really tried to catalog them.” And I was like, I hit myself on the head, I was like, of course, this guy really has the goods. So a couple more things about Jurgen that you’re going to want to know. He has some amazing books out, Multidimensional Man, Vistas of Infinity, The Ten Minute Moment. Please go and check those out, they’re amazing. He also has an incredible website, Multidimensional Man, where he features all sorts of interviews that he’s done in the past and other amazing stuff. And then as |I was talking to Jurgen before this interview, and he saw some of the questions in the places...
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Joseph Atwill’s insights about the relationship between power and religion seem more relevant than ever. photo by: Skeptiko [Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:31] That’s a clip from Gladiator, and although the movie is fiction, people who really know Roman history, like today’s guest Joseph Atwill, will tell you that the movie is spot on when it comes to the kind of political manipulation, mind control and conspiracy wielding that the Romans had mastered 2000 years ago. Of course, this movie has another side to it, a very deep interpersonal family and spiritual angle to it, which, as we all know, plays a much greater role in the rough and tumble world of world politics and social engineering. I love this next piece. [Clip 00:01:17 – 00:01:27] Today’s guest on Skeptiko, Joseph Atwill, author of Caesar’s Messiah, has become a real cornerstone in my understanding of how we should approach so many of the deepest, most important questions about religion and spirituality, well, from a Skeptiko perspective at least. At any rate, it was so great to reconnect with Joe and be reminded how especially relevant his work is today. Joseph Atwill: [00:01:55] Yeah, I actually am quite, intrigued and supportive of your perspective on consciousness because of its political aspect. And, of course, given my background, obviously the first thing I’m looking at is how are our ideas about ourselves manipulated politically? Have we been basically given an idea about our consciousness that is untrue, just so that we can be more easily ruled? And the idea that we are an illusion is, in my mind, a decadent political position. And it’s not even worthwhile discussing in terms of it as spirituality, because you already have this enormous problem, that if you think of yourself as an illusion, if you think of life as something that is absurd or meaningless, then you basically don’t have the right kind of resiliency, in terms of coherent political perspective. Click Here for Joe Atwill’s website Click here for Forum Discussion Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:57] Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris and I’m going to make the case, because I believe it to be true, that today’s guest is the most important biblical scholar in modern times. And that’s sounds like a lot, but it kind of goes even further than that because the Bible, whether we like it or not, it is so deeply woven into our culture, our legal system, our political system, and our collective psyche, well, all of that makes Joe Atwill kind of a really, really important figure in my opinion. But again, I’m going to make the case in this show, and you can judge for yourself. Now, Joe has been on the show before. The proposition that he makes is rather simple, at least the way that I understand it. And that is that the Bible is pro Roman and the best, and really the only non-wacky metaphysical explanation for this provable historical fact is that the Bible is part of a political PSYOP. So that’s a lot for people to take. I know I’ve covered this topic before, and it immediately really triggers people. So let me interject and clarify a little bit. That proposition that I just laid out there,
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William Ramsey, this attorney turned investigative journalist and author has a unique perspective on satanic panic. photo by: Skeptiko [Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:27] That’s Matthew McConaughey from The Lincoln Lawyer schooling his client on how the legal system really works. It’s a topic that factors into this interview I have coming up with attorney an investigative journalist William Ramsey, quite prominently, especially when it comes to the case we’re going to talk about, one of them, the West Memphis Three, and how it generated this ridiculous meme about satanic panic. Because as you’ll hear, no matter what you feel about the legal proceedings surrounding Damien Echols and these crimes, there really should be no doubt that this is an individual that was deeply, deeply involved in satanic occult practices. And I say that, of course, because you’ve listened to this show with satanic being in quotes because we can’t pigeonhole all this evil and hang it on one guy Here’s a clip from the upcoming interview with William Ramsey. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:35] But he looks so innocent and harmless, but that’s exactly the point I wanted to put on about the deception. He’s caught with an outrageous lie there, right? William Ramsey: [00:01:46] Right, yeah. I mean, they caught him in a lie that he was writing like a secret script. I mean, the allegation is that he was obsessed with the occult, but they denied all that. But while he was in jail, what’s he doing? He’s writing the secret script that has Jason Baldwin’s name and Aleister Crowley. And then he gets out, what’s he do? He’s right back writing books about magick with a K, and making all these very different interviews, he’s quoting, he’s talking about the moonlight, he’s talking about rituals, he’s tweeting about it. I mean, it’s just incredible that people can actually be led on to think that that’s not involved in this case. Click Here for William Ramsey’s website Click here for Forum Discussion Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:28] Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris, and today we welcome William Ramsey to Skeptiko. William is an attorney, researcher, author, filmmaker, and creator of William Ramsey Investigates, which is really quite an amazing, impressive body of investigative journalism and interviews. I’ve listened to so many of them. I think I first came across William on The Opperman Report and he’s done a ton on there. But it’s just an incredible body of work and it’s really, really relevant to the stuff that I want to talk about, and that’s why I reached out to William and he was nice enough to come on and talk about some of this stuff. It’s such a great fit for some of the stuff I’ve been looking into. Some of the books we should mention. I’ve pulled them up. Abomination: Devil Worship and Deception in the West Memphis Three. You guys have heard me mention West Memphis Three, and sometimes I say it like inside baseball, and I know there’s a lot of people that don’t totally get that. I mean, they get it kind of on a place holder meme level, but William’s really going walk us through that because he’s done some amazing research on that. And then there’s Children of the Beast: Aleis...
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Tricia Robertson has explored after death communication for more than 30 years. photo by: Skeptiko [CLIP] That’s Matt Damon from the movie Hereafter, showing the other side of mediumship and how hard it can be on the mediums themselves. It’s a topic that today’s guest, the very, very excellent Tricia Robertson has explored for, well, for decades now in her work with after death communication, experiments, writings and just generally as an explorer of the topic. Here’s a clip from my interview. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:05] So this will not offend your religious beliefs, and I thought, wow, why would you say that? How do we know that? Why would we even care? I mean, I understand you’re trying to meet people where they are, people are having questions about after death communication, I understand that. But on a different level, why would we possibly care if we’re going to the next level of understanding what this stuff really is? Why would we care about someone’s religious beliefs? Tricia Robertson: [00:01:37] Well, it’s got nothing to do with religion whatsoever. But if you take the hypothesis that a lot of people believe in God, a cosmic consciousness, an energy that they’re going to go to, they need to try and understand it. And I do not know what the next level of testing would be. No, I don’t want to offend anyone’s religious belief. I mean, I would never take it away from them because some people need that to hang on to, but whatever we show with our survival of consciousness and the evidence, it should fit anybody’s religious beliefs. Click here for Forum Discussion Click Here for Tricia’s website Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. You know, there’s one topic that has always intrigued me, and you know, if you’ve listened to this show, it’s frontier science, exploring the intersection between science and spirituality. Because it always seems like there’s a lot of potential that’s untapped there in that, you know, what is less scientific about studying and measuring the hypothesized disincarnated spirit that may communicate with you through a medium, why is that somehow less scientific than calculating the radius of a proton? Well, I think this is exactly the case kind of approach that today’s guest Tricia Robertson has taken through her collaboration with Professor Archie Roy of the university of Glasgow, and since his passing she has continued that kind of research. She’s really someone who’s dived into after death communication, she’s written a couple of very interesting, terrific books. If you’re all in doubt about this phenomenon, then, Things You Can Do When You’re Dead! True Accounts of After Death Communication, and her follow-up book, More Things You Can Do When You’re Dead! will certainly convince you. So I thought this was a really cool opportunity to talk with Tricia, especially she was suggested to me by my friend, Mark Ireland, who wrote the book Soul Shift. We had Mark on the show a long time ago, and I’ve stayed in contact with Mark and Tricia actually wrote the foreword to that book. So Tricia,
Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, opens up about extended consciousness, dissociative identity, and angels and demons. photo by: Skeptiko [Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:35] That’s a scene from the movie Split, which portrays a very extreme case of dissociative identity disorder, but that’s just Hollywood, right? Well consider today’s interview with Dr. Bernardo Kastrup. Dr. Bernardo Kastrup: [00:00:34] Okay, suppose that universal consciousness has something akin to the DID. So it also forms alters. What would an altar look like from the point of view of another alter? I would say it will look like what we call life, a body, a metabolizing organism. Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:52] Hold on, that isn’t exactly what I’m talking about, because you actually kind of pulled us into the water. So you just wrote a book on the metaphysics of Jung, right? Jungian metaphysics, something along those lines, right? Dr. Bernardo Kastrup: [00:01:03] Correct, yeah. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:04] So Jung is talking about the shadow, he’s saying, “Well, I work with clients, and we can kind of treat them just like they’re separate, but they’re really not.” But then he switches over and he goes, “Yeah, but they are,” and he’s kind of saying both. Dr. Bernardo Kastrup: [00:01:18] That’s right, yeah. I think if you study Jung’s corpus carefully, it’s pretty clear that that’s what he thought. So from that perspective, it aligns with what some religious traditions would call disincarnate personalities. Jung explicitly associated these dissociated complexes with what in the tradition has been called angels and demons. Click here for Forum Discussion Click Here for Bernardo’s website Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:46] Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris and today, well, I have a real treat, at least for me, because I welcome back Bernardo Kastrup to Skeptiko. Bernardo is, without a doubt, one of the leading public intellectuals regarding our philosophical and scientific understanding of human consciousness. He is just so solid, we’re talking multiple PhDs, one in philosophy, one in computer science, a high-level job in the tech world, used to work at CERN. Many books, I’ve popped up his website here, which is just outstanding and filled with just so much different stuff you can check out, but you can see many of his books there. He’s of course published in many top journals, regularly contributes to Scientific American and you know, his credentials in my opinion, and we kind of chatted a little bit about this, but maybe in a different way, they’re unassailable in a way that I don’t know, to me, it kind of creates a litmus test. Because if I hear anyone kind of try and brush Bernardo aside with just a wave of the hand, I’m like, something’s up here, because you just haven’t done the work on this guy. And I think that’s an extra bonus that we get in talking to him. So Bernardo, welcome back to Skeptiko. It’s so great to connect with you. It’s been way too long. Dr. Bernardo Kastrup: [00:03:22] Great to be here Alex, indeed,
David Icke was recently banned from Youtube for advocating free thought, free speech and non-violent resistance, but does his science hold? photo by: Skeptiko [Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:35] Let them shake their group think heads at you, let them be ashamed of you, embarrassed of you, pissed off at you. They will call you names, and you must let them let them. Let them jeer, let them point, let them laugh. Be resistant to their mockery, be the fodder for their jokes, be a magnificent failure in their eyes. A tiger does not lose sleep over the opinion of sheep. Go ahead. Be the scar tissue of their worldview, their normality. They will loath you. They will fear you. They’ll wish they were you. That’s David Icke speaking to a huge crowd that gathered to see him at Wembley Arena. That is before he was banned from YouTube and Facebook for advocating non-violence, freedom of speech, free thought and love your neighbor. Here he is in today’s interview on Skeptiko talking about science and consciousness. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:02] You were one of the first people to blow the whistle on this fake scientific understanding of consciousness and its insistence that we are biological robots in a meaningless universe, and we should accept our empty lives and just get on with it. David Icke: [00:01:20] What you’ve just described is the foundation to mass human control, without which mass human control cannot happen. Because if you know that you are, in your true eye, an expression of consciousness, a point of attention within an infinite flow of consciousness, then there’s no way that a handful of psychopaths and idiots, which is basically the combination that runs the world, can impose themselves on your life, in the way that you will acquiesce to whatever they tell you. You won’t do it because you know you are consciousness, you know you are an infinite expression of consciousness and that will never allow itself to be subjugated and intimidated into submission. Click here for Forum Discussion Click Here for David Icke’s website Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:02] You were one of the first people to really blow the whistle on this fake scientific understanding of consciousness and its insistence that we are biological robots in a meaningless universe, and we should accept our empty lives and just get on with it. David Icke: [00:01:20] What you’ve just described is the foundation to mass human control, without which mass human control cannot happen. Because if you know that you are, in your true eye, an expression of consciousness, a point of attention within an infinite flow of consciousness, then there’s no way that a handful of psychopaths and idiots, which is basically the combination that runs the world, can impose themselves on your life, in the way that you will acquiesce to whatever they tell you. You won’t do it because you know you are consciousness, you know you are an infinite expression of consciousness and that will never allow itself to be subjugated and intimidated into submission. Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:13] Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics. I’m your host Alex Tsakiris, and every year Time Magazine publishes a list of the world’s 100 most influential pe...
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Andrew Holecek is a recognized expert on lucid dreaming and dream yoga, but is he playing it safe? photo by: Skeptiko [Clip 00:00:00 – 00:00:35] Now I could try and explain how that clip from Step Brothers relates to this show, but that would just be throwing gas on the fire. Here’s a clip from my interview with Andrew Holecek. Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:46] Why this resistance to just calling out Sue Blackmore. You quoted her in the paper, did you know who she was? Andrew Holecek: [00:00:52] I knew who she was, for sure. Yeah, she’s an interesting character. So again, even within that my friend, I’m just trying to be a little bit more clear about where you want me to go with this. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:02] Why did you quote Sue Blackmore as an example of that? Andrew Holecek: [00:01:04] Because she has some interesting things to say. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:05] What does she have that’s interesting to say? Andrew Holecek: [00:01:08] She has a very vast array of contributions. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:14] She doesn’t have anything interesting to say because she thinks consciousness is an illusion and an epiphenomenon of the brain. She got that question wrong on the test, so she wasn’t allowed to go to part B, C, D. Well, you keep saying that, but you kind of won’t go there. Andrew Holecek: [00:01:34] Where do you want me to go? I don’t know, what’s the question? Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:37] Oh man, come on. Andrew Holecek: [00:01:38] No really. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:38] What do you think, you heard both of these guys, what do you think? Andrew Holecek: [00:01:42] Well, again, I’m trying to just be a little bit articulate. What do I think about what? Because they both covered some amazing topics. Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:49] What did you think was amazing? Andrew Holecek: [00:01:51] Well, I mean, again, what I find provocative and I’m not here to judge either of them, that’s just not the way I roll. What I find compelling… Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:58] We’re always judging everyone. I hate when people say that. Of course, you’re either judging positively or judging negatively, but judge feel free. This is a judge-friendly zone. Andrew Holecek: [00:02:08] What I find compelling about what Charlie says is that again, we live in a universe, in a world where there is plenty of room for other forms of reality. Click here for Forum Discussion Click Here for Adrew’s website Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:23] Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris, and today we welcome Andrew Holecek to Skeptiko. Andrew is the author of books like Dream Yoga: Illuminating Your Life Through Lucid Dreaming and the Tibetan Yogas of Sleep and Preparing to Die: Practical Advice and Spiritual Wisdom from the Tibetan Buddhist Tradition. So, we’re definitely going to want to talk about all of that, especially as it relates to the recent conversations I’ve been having with… I just had lucid dream teacher, Charlie Morley, who you may or heard of him. Andrew Holecek: [00:03:05] Yeah, I’ve heard of him, yeah. Alex Tsakiris: [00:03:07] Okay, so that’s interesting.
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