In the first of two episodes, Matt gets together with Phil Downer, Founder and Chief Whiskey Maker of Wanderback in Hood River, Oregon.

And it's impossible to talk about his latest release (release #5) without talking about how and why Phil has chosen to take a bit of a non-traditional approach to how he's building his brand; by collaborating with other distilleries and like-minded brands focused on both quality and the exploration of flavor.