On this episode of Security Nation, host Kyle Flaherty is joined by Jen Ellis, who is not only the VP of Communications for Rapid7 but also a longtime proponent of security pros, along with Matt Hathaway, who heads up Rapid7's incident detection solution and is a longtime friend of the pod (FOP). They discuss:

• The use for guides like the SANS/CIS critical controls and NIST
• The confusion created by a lack of definitions in the security space and the amount of vendor FUD
• How the controls will (or should) evolve as we evolve our technologies
• The difference between a cravat and an ascot knot

Security Nation is a podcast dedicated to covering all things infosec – from what’s making headlines to practical tips for organizations looking to improve their own security programs.

Host Kyle Flaherty (@KyleFlaherty) has been knee-deep in the security sector for nearly two decades. At Rapid7 he leads a team of technical marketers with the mission of providing impactful content that helps security professionals do their jobs.