Talking to the 5x Crossfit Games Champion about his journey through alcoholism, fitness, faith, finance, sports, relationships, and more - Mat Fraser is the definition of a Challenger.Life is hard, but a lot more fun when we lean into it.Long live the Dream.

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Welcome to Second Order Change, where we explore the irreversible process of pursuing your dreams. Join us as we dive into the inspiring stories of individuals who have faced daunting challenges and overcame them to pursue their passions.

Through candid interviews, our guests share their personal journeys, discussing the pivotal moments that led them to pursue their dreams and the obstacles they faced along the way. We delve into the process of transformation, exploring the deep changes that occur when we challenge ourselves to pursue something we truly care about.

Whether you're an athlete, artist, entrepreneur, or simply someone who's looking to make a change in your life, Second Order Change offers insights and inspiration to help you navigate the ups and downs of the journey. Join us each week as we explore the stories of those Challengers who have dared to dream big and make their dreams a reality.