This week: counting! Just don't go past five.  Too many men on the ice, too many men in the crease, how to stop defensemen from checking players into their own goalies, hockey refs heading upstairs, playoff penalty standards, more NHL reviews, and who makes the call? Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports.  Email us your questions - heyref@scoutingtherefs.com.    The Scouting the Refs Podcast is sponsored by Manscaped - use code REFS for 20% off and free shipping at Manscaped.com: the right tools for the job.

Cup Final, Consistency, Bettman and McDavid on Refs

Scouting The Refs follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls.  Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports; a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio, he’s also worked for TSN and Sportsnet as a host/anchor. Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent resource related to hockey officiating. #RefsPodcast