Horrible sound design. Varing levels in volume for each person in the conversation. I am sure this is lovely in person, but ther audio is terrible. The most recent episode with Penelope Watson is nearly unlistenable with headphones. The episode with Anselm Kiefer in conversation with David Chipperfield has some of the most horrific sound I've ever heard on a podcast. In the podcast the announcer even mentions how bad the sound is. The entire first minute and a half of the episode is someone drinking and chewing. Disgusting. Overall cancels out the conversation with gross sound incompetence.